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Community Source Software: The Beginning of the End, or the End of the Beginning? Notes from a panel.Created by Lida L. Larsen (EDUCAUSE) on June 16, 2008
Community Source Software: The Beginning of the End, or the End of the Beginning? Notes from a panel at the EDUCAUSE Enterprise Information and Technology Conference, Chicago, IL, May 2008 Abstract: A podcast is available at http://connect.educause.edu/blog/gbayne/podcastcommunitysourcesof/46866 NOTES There are 4 models Open source and community source overlap but are different It's fair to recognize there have been a number of successful stories. But also a number of communities - state driven issue - are you a part of the public sector or is it a fad Di Maio asked the panelists to tell us why we should look at this as the end of beginning. Wheeler - 4 yrs ago and before there was renewed attention to Sakai and Kuali. They were going to build financial system and some people thought it incredulous that you'd do that for financial system. They thought it was okay for dabbling in T&L but thought that in reality, financial systems are much more straightforward. Many questions have now been answered and they know how to do things. And, they now are improving it regularly. There were 415 at the Kuali conference a few weeks ago. They are at the beginning of the next set of the questions - what comes next? Patterson: Why the beginning of the end - - so systems were built and collaboration occurred but she asked "why would you do that?" Higher education's business is to teach and do research not to build financial systems. She asked "Why would we spend precious resources to do this when someone else already have the systems and can do it better?" She believes that higher education should move things to outside providers when possible - like email, like phones, etc. Higher education should stick to teaching and research. Other questions to consider include "What else do we get by being engaged together?" Spencer: There is not a readily available product that will do the things we want to do. Whether you buy or build you will invest those precious resources. He discussed two missions - funding and research - where there are not good commercial products. Higher education feels it needs to do things differently and building things ourselves makes sense up to a point. However, a single institution can't actually build them by alone - so a new community source movement is very appropriate. Many felt this was the way to go. Community source answers this need and UBC is very happy with the results. Di Maio asked the panelists to give him 3 good reasons to use community source 1) (Wheeler) Higher education does not operate in an efficient marketplace where products will be improved to meet our needs - - We are a marketplace that is monopolized over and over again. We are hell to sell to - our decision cycles are laborious, needs are esoteric, etc., so, it makes sense that they will deal with monopolists. They create virtual monopolies by tiering the institutional customer. Patterson: The uncertainty of vendors drives us crazy. The idea of control is very appealing Wheeler says that we don't know how to negotiate and be business like in the way we operate and that's exactly the reason not to go with community source. The way universities work is not effective and we must be more business like in our own operations. She quoted Groucho Marx, "I refuse to join a club that has me for a member." Business models must change because the environment has changed. We are not for-profit but we must be more businesslike - the risk of using community source is that we won't be businesslike. Wheeler: Higher education should not want to use Google's business model because we are not Google, we are higher education - and we don't want shadow systems which is what we get when we use vendor provided business software. We need to use the tools that we need and we have to shape up our own business processes. ERP were sold on head count but with honest accounting head counts go up not go down. The number of consultant hours and staff hours has gone up significantly with vendor software purchases. There are merits on both sides - sustainability - we want to rely on the community more than the vendor. What are the risks that the communities will go away and you may still have the source code but you may not have the expertise to continue its support? Di Maio asked about mitigating the risk of big systems. Wheeler: There are risks in big systems whether you buy from a vendor or not. So we should look at the different profiles. Modern corporations may be relatively young - universities have been along for a long, long time. If Wheeler is going to trust one or the other, he'll trust the university. He feels that Cornell, Indiana, and others will be in the business for years to come. If the particular entity fell apart we could still collaborate or otherwise figure out how to continue. He believes the risks are quite reasonable in the community source model and you have control. Community source is most suited to the areas where we have unique needs. Patterson: Higher education can do the same with PeopleSoft. Every modification they make in PeopleSoft (not core) can be shared. When Oracle acquired PeopleSoft they started these conversations. Di Maio asked: What's the impact if fundamental people in the project (community or vendor) decide to leave? Wheeler: MIT's Coeus in is Boston which is not the best market for the work so it's contracted out to India. It's unhelpful to think of it as one or the other but rather we should think about it as a blended model. In at least one case a vendor had written a modification that was shared back to the community. Wheeler: Community source projects don't have to do things on someone else's schedule because the licensing is different. Patterson: Commercial vendors are moving in this direction too What's missing? Spencer: Within the banking industry, at least one bank writes their own customer interfaces so they are customized to their own target. We know better than others do what we need in higher education and we need the control to do this ourselves, though in some other cases this may not be important. They had a business process redesign for hiring faculty and professional staff but couldn't implement it. Even now, 3 yrs late, they are struggling to find software to support it as PeopleSoft does not. They want to position themselves differently from the commercial world and from other institutions. At some point it is very unlikely that a vendor can meet your needs. Di Maio asked about the development of their own processes and best practices. Community source is a replacement for "I can do it myself" but in time a vendor may develop their own intellectual process around a community source product. Spencer: describing the Kuali student project kickoff, said they surveyed vendors and they believed this would open up markets for them. They expect there will be a lot of vendor products in play. It's a business model that many are interested in and they'll go from selling software to integrating pieces. No project has a future beyond 7-8 yrs. Exponential growth and change is in the big picture for us all as we move forward. No one can predict what will happen 10-12 years down the road. If the options change, and vendors have what we need, we'll change and look to vendors for support and products that meet our needs. Right now we think we know what we need better than they do. Di Maio asked where community source is appropriate. Patterson: Research Administration has needs outside of universities and it's a major business- so this is a ripe opportunity. Patterson asks: The PeopleSoft student system wasn't developed by PeopleSoft. It was by 8 universities and "campus solutions" who worked at universities so they started down the path to build it. When PeopleSoft wanted the modules they went to campus solutions. Campus solutions had a pretty complex solution because they were appealing to a variety of institutional AA, DR EXT, public, private etc. So, when you are looking at community source - how do you avoid building another very complex product? Spencer and Wheeler: Kuali is built to be configurable. The institution should budget as much for implementation as they do for development. Over time you might see bundles that are tailored to AAs or DR EXTs etc. There is complexity reduction so the smallest of the core is shared and the bundles are configurable. Wheeler: Discussing sustainability - we need enough (critical mass - not necessarily a gazillion) to get the work done - but, he said, they'd be better off at whatever point than they would be going alone. The number of FTE you need is actually not that large. The contributions of the many institutions make it sustainable. Question: Many have sat out from the ERP packages because of the horror stories. What can you say to us about this? Patterson: it's an advantage to go with vendor software if you need it now - if you have 5-6 yrs then you can wait and see. Wheeler: Modules are being built, but you won't see it "next year." They may start subbing modules that are better as they go. Wheeler: Maintaining legacy systems may prove to be wise. First we built it, then we bought, and now we want to build it together. Those maintaining legacy systems can probably just skip the middle step. Local staff is compressible but writing a check is not. Commitment can get reduced with in-house staff since they keep being given more to do. It's like prepaying into a health club and then you don't use it. Wheeler: You don't "buy" it so you have to teach your purchasing department how to fund it. Patterson: Improved business is not about the technology but about the processes. She can contract with a vendor and if they don't come through she can hold the check. But if she's in a community source and they don't deliver then she can't hold the check. Wheeler does not accept that this is the question. He used to have fewer people in the past than he has now to support vendor software. Zero disruptive upgrades are needed - home grown financial system has been upgraded 47 times but did not require disruption but twice. Wheeler: We've decided together how things would be done and there has been tremendous knowledge sharing. A podcast is available at http://connect.educause.edu/blog/gbayne/podcastcommunitysourcesof/46866
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