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I guess there is comfort in knowing “we are not alone” in dealing with Adobe license changes – but there is high dissatisfaction (at least on my part…) in the direction their licensing is moving.

 

We have been long-term CLP customers and have seen:

·         flip-flops from concurrent-use to NO concurrent-use

·         product bundles that have shifted over time, sometimes without much logic.  certain standalone products that are price prohibitive if purchased outside of a bundle with stuff you don’t want or need.

·         many years of paying annual maintenance for products – now to be told that is no longer offered

·         suggestions that “individual named-users” is a licensing model that would ever work in a HE setting… grrrrr…

 

We have also met with our licensing team and there is a healthy dose of “we aren’t quite sure where this is going” – but the status quo has ended.  Our annual costs for similar levels of product will more than double with the proposal currently on the table. Ugh!!!   I could go on….

 

It seems like we could use a concerted effort from many campuses to regain some sanity from Adobe….

 

Dave Tindall
Asst VP for Technology Services (CIO)
Seattle Pacific University
Computer & Information Systems
Phone: (206) 281-2239
Fax: (206) 281-2850
Email: dtindall@spu.edu
Web: www.spu.edu

SPU Mobile: mobile.spu.edu

 

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Gordon,

 

            We’re undergoing an audit right now. What fun! And we have the same concerns others have expressed about the direction Adobe is heading with their new licensing “strategy.” I recently heard from a very reliable source that the Creative Cloud licensing for higher education will be priced at $29.99 per month per license. Ouch!

 

            There is strength in numbers, so maybe we can work together to drive more reasonable licensing agreements at least for higher-ed.

 

Thanks,

 

Mickey

*******************************************************************************

Michael R. Belote

Chief Technology Officer

Mercer University

1400 Coleman Avenue

Macon, GA 31207

O: 478-301-2850

M: 478-719-2955

http://IT.Mercer.edu

 

Good morning, Webster would also be interested in participating in the conversation as well Thank you Wm. Kenneth Freeman Wm. Kenneth Freeman, CIO Webster University 470 E. Lockwood Ave. St. Louis, MO 63119-3194 Phone: 314.246.5990 kennethfreeman@webster.edu http://www.webster.edu/
Kenneth, Thanks for your note. I'm collecting names of those interested in having this discussion with Adobe and will keep you informed. Regards, Gordon
Add Benedictine to your list. --Randy Charles R. Williams Chief Information Officer Benedictine University 5700 College Road Lisle, IL  60532 630-829-6025
Gordon, Please add Derrick Jennings (djennings@vsu.edu) and Stephanie Hayes (shayes@vsu.edu) to the discussion list for Adobe. Thank you. Sent from my iPad Stephanie Hayes
My biggest concern is the cost model. We do not have significant usage of Adobe products in the staff and the model that they have been selling to us is based on FTE employees for non-academic uses and FTE enrollment for academic uses. The total cost of this comes in at about 20% of my ERP maintenance costs. Unless our use were to increase significantly, I can't justify this cost for products that we don't use. --Randy Charles R. Williams Chief Information Officer Benedictine University 5700 College Road Lisle, IL  60532 630-829-6025
Please add me as well. dmarek@colum.edu. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael G. Hughett Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:21 AM To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit Oops, just started reading this thread. Please add me as well. Michael G. Hughett Network / Systems Administrator Lees-McRae College PO Box 128 Banner Elk, NC 28604 ……………………………….. Phone: 828-898-8830 Cell:     828-260-5669 Email: hughettm@lmc.edu Skype: mghughett "Find a need and fill it.  And do it to the Glory of Christ." -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephanie A. Hayes Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:18 AM To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit Gordon, Please add Derrick Jennings (djennings@vsu.edu) and Stephanie Hayes (shayes@vsu.edu) to the discussion list for Adobe. Thank you. Sent from my iPad Stephanie Hayes
Please include Lisa McDaniel. lmcdanie@RADFORD.EDU Danny M. Kemp Vice President for Information Technology & CIO Radford University P.O. Box 6888 Radford, VA 24142 Office   540-831-7167 FAX     540-831-6217 dmkemp@radford.edu
gordon, please add lafayette college to the list. thanks, -j John O'Keefe Associate Vice President and CIO 021A Skillman Library | Lafayette College | Easton, PA 18042 610.330.5161 | okeefej@lafayette.edu | http://its.lafayette.edu
Message from jj014747@pomona.edu

Gordon, better add Pomona College as well. Thanks. Julianne Journitz Director of Client Services ITS Pomona College
Gordon - Please add NYLS to this expanding list. Thanks, Ted Hicks/Director, OIT Support Services/New York Law School/40 Worth Street/New York, NY 10013/212.431.2174 -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julie Journitz Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:37 AM To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit Gordon, better add Pomona College as well. Thanks. Julianne Journitz Director of Client Services ITS Pomona College
Hi, everyone,
Before we are swamped with  more "please includes", please let us pause and see what we can work out for a discussion.
Thanks
Theresa


And please add Mika.Hirai@williams.edu and Jonathan.B.Morgan-Leamon@williams.edu from Williams as well. Jonathan Leamon Director Of Instructional Technology Williams College 413-597-4468
Please add Maggie Morrison, mdeming@uwyo.edu. Thank you.
Message from dmmanns@owu.edu

Steven,

 

Is this something you could provide over email to the group?

 

Thank you

 

Diane Manns

Business Manager Information Services

Ohio Wesleyan University

Information Services

Delaware, Ohio 43015

v: 740 368-3264

f: 740 368-3272

www.owu.edu

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steven A Terry (sterry)
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:38 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Theresa –

 

Sure – give me a call at your convenience.  Cheers!

 

Steve

 

Steven A. Terry

Director, Technology Utilization

University of Memphis

AD 377

Memphis, TN 38115

Desk:  901-678-2194

Cell:  901-258-5205

 

Twitter: tigersteve

FB: steve.terry1

Skype: tigersterry

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Theresa Rowe
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:51 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Would you be able to take a few minutes to describe what you are having to provide, and how you are going about providing it?
Theresa

 

Dear Gordon,

The entire University of Alabama system is currently undergoing an audit. The suggestion was made by Adobe that we switch to a system-wide agreement to avoid the audit. I would be interested in joining the discussion list/conversation that was mentioned.

Best,
Dee

M. Dee Childs
Associate Provost and Chief Information Officer
Information Technology Services
University of Alabama in Huntsville
Huntsville, AL 35899


Please add me for Haverford.  We'll be interested to hear what they have to say.  Adobe's licensing models are mind boggling.  Coming together as a group to discuss it would be very helpful for Haverford.
___________________________
Steve Fabiani
Associate CIO
Instructional and Information Technology Services
Haverford College | Stokes 204 | 267.475.8480 (c) | 610.896.2917


IITS staff will never ask for your password. 
The privacy of your password enhances the privacy of our entire community and the integrity of our technology environment.
Check us out on the web - http://iits.haverford.edu
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And I will be glad to represent the University of Idaho in such discussions.

 

Thanks,


Dan

 

Daniel Ewart / Chief Information Officer / Information Technology Services

208-885-2271 /Administration Bldg Room 140 / PO Box 443155 Moscow ID 83844-3155

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Fabiani
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:32 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Please add me for Haverford.  We'll be interested to hear what they have to say.  Adobe's licensing models are mind boggling.  Coming together as a group to discuss it would be very helpful for Haverford.

___________________________

Steve Fabiani
Associate CIO

Instructional and Information Technology Services

Haverford College | Stokes 204 | 267.475.8480 (c) | 610.896.2917


IITS staff will never ask for your password. 

The privacy of your password enhances the privacy of our entire community and the integrity of our technology environment.

Check us out on the web - http://iits.haverford.edu

Follow us on Twitter @HCProDesk or like us on FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/HCProDesk

 

 

We had Adobe tell us that we had until March 15 to make a decision regarding the site license or that we would be out of luck.  The cost just for faculty and staff was out of my price range, especially for an unplanned expenditure.  We had a conference call with our Adobe representative and a representative of our reseller of choice.  We thought Adobe was going to be able to give us details of some additional licensing models during the call.  This was not the case.  They only reiterated the deadline and said they would announce the new plan(s) before March 15, 2013.

 

Needless to say, we are near to March 15.  We asked our reseller for an update.  This is, in part what he said, “Adobe listed March 15 as the deadline in error.  The "commitment response" to move forward with this consolidated agreement is needed from each participating school by May 18th, 2013 using the following web form: …  It's my understanding Adobe will introduce another license program in education (still term/subscription based) before summer.  However no information is available at this time.

 

There is much yet to be determined by Adobe.”

 

It appears to me that Adobe was caught off guard by the community’s reaction and is trying to recover.

 

--Randy

 

Charles R. Williams
Chief Information Officer
Benedictine University
5700 College Road
Lisle, IL  60532

 

630-829-6025

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Knox, Marg
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:59 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Mike, we have had an active discussion over on the Licensing list wrt  Adobe including software audits, concurrency, their push to site license, effects on virtual usage especially for students using own computers, their move to subscription, alternatives and even their cloud services. 

 

On concurrency , here is the section from their volume licensing information on concurrency restrictions . These go into effect at next contract renewal so it is not affecting all yet. It will apply to new licensing. Adobe does have a nice site for reading about their licensing.

 

Concurrency restrictions...

 

Only authorized Education Institutions, as defined in the Education CLP, that are currently enrolled in Education CLP may order Concurrent Use Licenses. Software ordered pursuant to a Concurrent Use License under the Education CLP shall be limited to access and use only on Computers (as such term is defined in the EULA) physically located in a classroom or student lab facility. Concurrent Licenses may not be used across different education institutions. In addition, the Software may only be used or accessed from a Computer owned or leased by you. As such, access and use of the Software from locations not meeting the foregoing requirements are prohibited under a Concurrent Use License. The following are a nonexhaustive list of examples of prohibited scenarios:

·         Access or use of the Software on a Computer not physically located at a campus facility

·         Installation or use of the Software on a Computer not owned and controlled by you (including but not limited to Computers owned by students or otherwise in students’ possession)

·         Access or use of the Software for administrative use

·         Access or use of the Software in a virtual lab through remote access

·         A school district or school system that purchases a Concurrent Use License that is metered for use by multiple schools within the district or system

·          


Sent from my iPad

Margaret (Marg) H. Knox

The University of Texas System


On Mar 8, 2013, at 8:46 PM, "Mike Meyer" <mmeyer@HAWAII.EDU> wrote:

I just caught up with this. Is concurrent licensing out again? I would like to participate in this effort also.

 

Mike Meyer
Chief Information Officer
Honolulu Community College
University of Hawai'i
808.844.2308 
its.honolulu.hawaii.edu

 



 

On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:48 AM, "Ewart, Daniel" <dewart@UIDAHO.EDU> wrote:



And I will be glad to represent the University of Idaho in such discussions.

 

Thanks,


Dan

 

Daniel Ewart / Chief Information Officer / Information Technology Services

208-885-2271 /Administration Bldg Room 140 / PO Box 443155 Moscow ID 83844-3155

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From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUOn Behalf OfSteve Fabiani
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:32 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Please add me for Haverford.  We'll be interested to hear what they have to say.  Adobe's licensing models are mind boggling.  Coming together as a group to discuss it would be very helpful for Haverford.

___________________________

Steve Fabiani
Associate CIO

Instructional and Information Technology Services

Haverford College | Stokes 204 | 267.475.8480 (c) | 610.896.2917


IITS staff will never ask for your password. 

The privacy of your password enhances the privacy of our entire community and the integrity of our technology environment.

Check us out on the web - http://iits.haverford.edu

Follow us on Twitter @HCProDesk or like us on FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/HCProDesk

 

 

Thanks for sharing, Randy.  I’m still trying to connect with Trevor Bailey of Adobe – as soon as I do, I’ll report back.

 

Gordon

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Charles
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:32 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

We had Adobe tell us that we had until March 15 to make a decision regarding the site license or that we would be out of luck.  The cost just for faculty and staff was out of my price range, especially for an unplanned expenditure.  We had a conference call with our Adobe representative and a representative of our reseller of choice.  We thought Adobe was going to be able to give us details of some additional licensing models during the call.  This was not the case.  They only reiterated the deadline and said they would announce the new plan(s) before March 15, 2013.

 

Needless to say, we are near to March 15.  We asked our reseller for an update.  This is, in part what he said, “Adobe listed March 15 as the deadline in error.  The "commitment response" to move forward with this consolidated agreement is needed from each participating school by May 18th, 2013 using the following web form: …  It's my understanding Adobe will introduce another license program in education (still term/subscription based) before summer.  However no information is available at this time.

 

There is much yet to be determined by Adobe.”

 

It appears to me that Adobe was caught off guard by the community’s reaction and is trying to recover.

 

--Randy

 

Charles R. Williams
Chief Information Officer
Benedictine University
5700 College Road
Lisle, IL  60532

 

630-829-6025

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Knox, Marg
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:59 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Mike, we have had an active discussion over on the Licensing list wrt  Adobe including software audits, concurrency, their push to site license, effects on virtual usage especially for students using own computers, their move to subscription, alternatives and even their cloud services. 

 

On concurrency , here is the section from their volume licensing information on concurrency restrictions . These go into effect at next contract renewal so it is not affecting all yet. It will apply to new licensing. Adobe does have a nice site for reading about their licensing.

 

Concurrency restrictions...

 

Only authorized Education Institutions, as defined in the Education CLP, that are currently enrolled in Education CLP may order Concurrent Use Licenses. Software ordered pursuant to a Concurrent Use License under the Education CLP shall be limited to access and use only on Computers (as such term is defined in the EULA) physically located in a classroom or student lab facility. Concurrent Licenses may not be used across different education institutions. In addition, the Software may only be used or accessed from a Computer owned or leased by you. As such, access and use of the Software from locations not meeting the foregoing requirements are prohibited under a Concurrent Use License. The following are a nonexhaustive list of examples of prohibited scenarios:

·       Access or use of the Software on a Computer not physically located at a campus facility

·       Installation or use of the Software on a Computer not owned and controlled by you (including but not limited to Computers owned by students or otherwise in students’ possession)

·       Access or use of the Software for administrative use

·       Access or use of the Software in a virtual lab through remote access

·       A school district or school system that purchases a Concurrent Use License that is metered for use by multiple schools within the district or system

·        


Sent from my iPad

Margaret (Marg) H. Knox

The University of Texas System


On Mar 8, 2013, at 8:46 PM, "Mike Meyer" <mmeyer@HAWAII.EDU> wrote:

I just caught up with this. Is concurrent licensing out again? I would like to participate in this effort also.

 

Mike Meyer
Chief Information Officer
Honolulu Community College
University of Hawai'i
808.844.2308 
its.honolulu.hawaii.edu

 

 

 

On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:48 AM, "Ewart, Daniel" <dewart@UIDAHO.EDU> wrote:

 

And I will be glad to represent the University of Idaho in such discussions.

 

Thanks,


Dan

 

Daniel Ewart / Chief Information Officer / Information Technology Services

208-885-2271 /Administration Bldg Room 140 / PO Box 443155 Moscow ID 83844-3155

<image001.jpg>

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUOn Behalf OfSteve Fabiani
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:32 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Please add me for Haverford.  We'll be interested to hear what they have to say.  Adobe's licensing models are mind boggling.  Coming together as a group to discuss it would be very helpful for Haverford.

___________________________

Steve Fabiani
Associate CIO

Instructional and Information Technology Services

Haverford College | Stokes 204 | 267.475.8480 (c) | 610.896.2917


IITS staff will never ask for your password. 

The privacy of your password enhances the privacy of our entire community and the integrity of our technology environment.

Check us out on the web - http://iits.haverford.edu

Follow us on Twitter @HCProDesk or like us on FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/HCProDesk

 

 

Gordon, We are experiencing the same situations others have expressed and would be happy to be part of any collective effort in dealing with Adobe. In fact we are hearing the same from some of Adobe's certified partners. Steve Stephen Fugale  Vice President & Chief Information Officer | Villanova University 800 Lancaster Ave | Technology Services Building | Villanova, PA 19085 Tel 610-519-4402 | Fax 610-519-4435 | Stephen.Fugale@villanova.edu   Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this email from your system
Good morning, Webster would also be interested in participating in the conversation as well Thank you Wm. Kenneth Freeman Wm. Kenneth Freeman, CIO Webster University 470 E. Lockwood Ave. St. Louis, MO 63119-3194 Phone: 314.246.5990 kennethfreeman@webster.edu http://www.webster.edu/
Kenneth, Thanks for your note. I'm collecting names of those interested in having this discussion with Adobe and will keep you informed. Regards, Gordon
Add Benedictine to your list. --Randy Charles R. Williams Chief Information Officer Benedictine University 5700 College Road Lisle, IL  60532 630-829-6025
Gordon, Please add Derrick Jennings (djennings@vsu.edu) and Stephanie Hayes (shayes@vsu.edu) to the discussion list for Adobe. Thank you. Sent from my iPad Stephanie Hayes
Message from amacleod@ocadu.ca

I have been leading a discussion with CUCCIO, the Canadian Universities Council of CIOs (http://www.cuccio.net/), regarding Adobe licensing, consortium purchasing and licensing issues in general. I'd be happy to participate in this discussion. AICAD (the Association of Independent Colleges of Art & Design) is also following challenges with Adobe licensing and the AICAD CIO group is meeting in June. It would be great to make sure these discussions line up so there is (as relevant) unified communication with Adobe. Thanks, ALASTAIR MACLEOD CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER T 416 977 6000 x242 F 416 977 6006 E amacleod@ocadu.ca OCAD UNIVERSITY 100 McCaul Street, Toronto, Canada M5T 1W1 www.ocadu.ca
Message from hughettm@lmc.edu

Oops, just started reading this thread. Please add me as well. Michael G. Hughett Network / Systems Administrator Lees-McRae College PO Box 128 Banner Elk, NC 28604 ……………………………….. Phone: 828-898-8830 Cell:     828-260-5669 Email: hughettm@lmc.edu Skype: mghughett "Find a need and fill it.  And do it to the Glory of Christ." -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephanie A. Hayes Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:18 AM To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit Gordon, Please add Derrick Jennings (djennings@vsu.edu) and Stephanie Hayes (shayes@vsu.edu) to the discussion list for Adobe. Thank you. Sent from my iPad Stephanie Hayes
Please add Jason Thomas (JASON_THOMAS@pba.edu) and David Ladd (DAVID_LADD@pba.edu) to the discussion list. Phillip T. Major Associate Vice President, Campus Information Services Office of Finance, Administration and Planning Palm Beach Atlantic University 901 South Flagler Drive PO Box 24708 West Palm Beach, FL  33416-4708 (561) 803-2034 Telephone -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephanie A. Hayes Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:18 AM To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit Gordon, Please add Derrick Jennings (djennings@vsu.edu) and Stephanie Hayes (shayes@vsu.edu) to the discussion list for Adobe. Thank you. Sent from my iPad Stephanie Hayes
Gordon, Please add University of Southern Indiana to your list. As a related question to the group, is anyone successfully supporting curriculum with Adobe alternatives, opensource or otherwise? The most common tools we use here are Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Premiere, and Acrobat. It seems to me Adobe has opened the door pretty wide for alternative solutions to flourish. Thanks, Richard Toeniskoetter Exexcutive Director Information Technology University of Southern Indiana 812-464-1733
Wilkes is also interested in joining the discussion. Thanks for coordinating, Gordon. Gloria Barlow ========================= Gloria M. Barlow Chief Information Officer Wilkes University Phone 570 408 4440 Wilkes ITS will never ask for passwords or personal information in email. THINK BEFORE YOU CLICK!!
Gordon - please add me as well. Thanks, Penny Evans-Plants Chief Information Officer Berry College P.O. Box 495035 Mount Berry, GA 30149 706.802.6727 peplants@berry.edu
Out of curiosity, is everyone's concern with the audit or the new Educational Enterprise Site License. We engaged in the EESL and are happy. We had struggled with licensing Adobe in our labs, classrooms, etc. Academic programs were falling behind in their ability to keep current, and pay for products in all labs/classrooms. We'd wanted an easy alternative for years, but costs for site or concurrent licensing models were prohibitive. The EESL for us was excellent, and I know many peer schools that felt the same way. We were never asked for an audit, but I know some that were. We also centrally fund the EESL so we don't worry about having to collect money from every dept. to pay for it. I know some schools that decentrally fund the EESL have found it challenging because they feel they're being asked to sign up for more licenses (perhaps based on the audit) than they think they can collect on. Several of the Academic Depts. here joined with ITS to propose the centrally funded EESL and it has been very much appreciated across the entire campus. Thanks, >>> "Toeniskoetter, Richard" 03/05/13 6:31 AM >>> Gordon, Please add University of Southern Indiana to your list. As a related question to the group, is anyone successfully supporting curriculum with Adobe alternatives, opensource or otherwise? The most common tools we use here are Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Premiere, and Acrobat. It seems to me Adobe has opened the door pretty wide for alternative solutions to flourish. Thanks, Richard Toeniskoetter Exexcutive Director Information Technology University of Southern Indiana 812-464-1733
My biggest concern is the cost model. We do not have significant usage of Adobe products in the staff and the model that they have been selling to us is based on FTE employees for non-academic uses and FTE enrollment for academic uses. The total cost of this comes in at about 20% of my ERP maintenance costs. Unless our use were to increase significantly, I can't justify this cost for products that we don't use. --Randy Charles R. Williams Chief Information Officer Benedictine University 5700 College Road Lisle, IL  60532 630-829-6025
Please add me as well. dmarek@colum.edu. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael G. Hughett Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:21 AM To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit Oops, just started reading this thread. Please add me as well. Michael G. Hughett Network / Systems Administrator Lees-McRae College PO Box 128 Banner Elk, NC 28604 ……………………………….. Phone: 828-898-8830 Cell:     828-260-5669 Email: hughettm@lmc.edu Skype: mghughett "Find a need and fill it.  And do it to the Glory of Christ." -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephanie A. Hayes Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:18 AM To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit Gordon, Please add Derrick Jennings (djennings@vsu.edu) and Stephanie Hayes (shayes@vsu.edu) to the discussion list for Adobe. Thank you. Sent from my iPad Stephanie Hayes
Please include Lisa McDaniel. lmcdanie@RADFORD.EDU Danny M. Kemp Vice President for Information Technology & CIO Radford University P.O. Box 6888 Radford, VA 24142 Office   540-831-7167 FAX     540-831-6217 dmkemp@radford.edu
gordon, please add lafayette college to the list. thanks, -j John O'Keefe Associate Vice President and CIO 021A Skillman Library | Lafayette College | Easton, PA 18042 610.330.5161 | okeefej@lafayette.edu | http://its.lafayette.edu
Message from jj014747@pomona.edu

Gordon, better add Pomona College as well. Thanks. Julianne Journitz Director of Client Services ITS Pomona College
Gordon - Please add NYLS to this expanding list. Thanks, Ted Hicks/Director, OIT Support Services/New York Law School/40 Worth Street/New York, NY 10013/212.431.2174 -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julie Journitz Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:37 AM To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit Gordon, better add Pomona College as well. Thanks. Julianne Journitz Director of Client Services ITS Pomona College
Hi, everyone,
Before we are swamped with  more "please includes", please let us pause and see what we can work out for a discussion.
Thanks
Theresa


And please add Mika.Hirai@williams.edu and Jonathan.B.Morgan-Leamon@williams.edu from Williams as well. Jonathan Leamon Director Of Instructional Technology Williams College 413-597-4468
Please add Maggie Morrison, mdeming@uwyo.edu. Thank you.
Gordon, Add Philadelphia University to your group. We are in the same state-wide consortium as Tom Carnwath at the University of the Arts. The only item that I will add to Tom's email is that several of us had the feeling that the subject of an audit sounded like a strange type of negotiation from Adobe. Your description regarding what some schools are reporting as Adobe's suggested "relief" is indeed disturbing. And their timing is simply brilliant! Please let us know how we can help. Regards, Jeff Jeffrey C. Cepull | Vice President for Information Resources and CIO | Philadelphia University | 215-951-2516 Please consider the environment before printing this email

Theresa –

 

Sure – give me a call at your convenience.  Cheers!

 

Steve

 

Steven A. Terry

Director, Technology Utilization

University of Memphis

AD 377

Memphis, TN 38115

Desk:  901-678-2194

Cell:  901-258-5205

 

Twitter: tigersteve

FB: steve.terry1

Skype: tigersterry

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Theresa Rowe
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:51 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Would you be able to take a few minutes to describe what you are having to provide, and how you are going about providing it?
Theresa

 

Message from dmmanns@owu.edu

Steven,

 

Is this something you could provide over email to the group?

 

Thank you

 

Diane Manns

Business Manager Information Services

Ohio Wesleyan University

Information Services

Delaware, Ohio 43015

v: 740 368-3264

f: 740 368-3272

www.owu.edu

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steven A Terry (sterry)
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:38 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Theresa –

 

Sure – give me a call at your convenience.  Cheers!

 

Steve

 

Steven A. Terry

Director, Technology Utilization

University of Memphis

AD 377

Memphis, TN 38115

Desk:  901-678-2194

Cell:  901-258-5205

 

Twitter: tigersteve

FB: steve.terry1

Skype: tigersterry

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Theresa Rowe
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:51 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Would you be able to take a few minutes to describe what you are having to provide, and how you are going about providing it?
Theresa

 

I'd like to hear about this as well.  I've been named to be part of the UNC team that will work on the system-wide contract, although I haven't heard anything yet.  But I'd like to be armed with information before we confront them.  I have also found that our rep, who is relatively new to Adobe, has had a hard time explaining the coming changes.  Our reseller has been more helpful (and candid) which helps with background info, but I'd like to not be at a disadvantage when we talk to Adobe.

jkt


Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM
Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412

336-542-2805 (Google Voice)



Dear Gordon,

The entire University of Alabama system is currently undergoing an audit. The suggestion was made by Adobe that we switch to a system-wide agreement to avoid the audit. I would be interested in joining the discussion list/conversation that was mentioned.

Best,
Dee

M. Dee Childs
Associate Provost and Chief Information Officer
Information Technology Services
University of Alabama in Huntsville
Huntsville, AL 35899


Diane:

 

Tough question.  To the extent I am allowed to, I will share what I can (publically), once the audit is complete.  (To be honest, I do not know if there are non-disclosure agreements in our contract that prohibit what I can actually share?)

 

Steve

 

Steven A. Terry

Director, Technology Utilization

University of Memphis

AD 377

Memphis, TN 38115

Desk:  901-678-2194

Cell:  901-258-5205

 

Twitter: tigersteve

FB: steve.terry1

Skype: tigersterry

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Diane M. Manns
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:54 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Steven,

 

Is this something you could provide over email to the group?

 

Thank you

 

Diane Manns

Business Manager Information Services

Ohio Wesleyan University

Information Services

Delaware, Ohio 43015

v: 740 368-3264

f: 740 368-3272

www.owu.edu

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steven A Terry (sterry)
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:38 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Theresa –

 

Sure – give me a call at your convenience.  Cheers!

 

Steve

 

Steven A. Terry

Director, Technology Utilization

University of Memphis

AD 377

Memphis, TN 38115

Desk:  901-678-2194

Cell:  901-258-5205

 

Twitter: tigersteve

FB: steve.terry1

Skype: tigersterry

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Theresa Rowe
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:51 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit

 

Would you be able to take a few minutes to describe what you are having to provide, and how you are going about providing it?
Theresa

 

Please make sure to distribute this information to the list.  We will all benefit from it.

JulieBeth Golden
IT Asset & Licensing Officer, ITS/OIT
Georgia Institute of Technology
juliebeth.golden@oit.gatech.edu
(o) 404-894-2972
(f) 404-894-9548
From: "Janice Tulloss" <Janice_Tulloss@UNCG.EDU>
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 3:16:41 PM
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit

I'd like to hear about this as well.  I've been named to be part of the UNC team that will work on the system-wide contract, although I haven't heard anything yet.  But I'd like to be armed with information before we confront them.  I have also found that our rep, who is relatively new to Adobe, has had a hard time explaining the coming changes.  Our reseller has been more helpful (and candid) which helps with background info, but I'd like to not be at a disadvantage when we talk to Adobe.

jkt


Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM
Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412

336-542-2805 (Google Voice)



Please add me for Haverford.  We'll be interested to hear what they have to say.  Adobe's licensing models are mind boggling.  Coming together as a group to discuss it would be very helpful for Haverford.
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