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Adobe software audit
I guess there is comfort in knowing “we are not alone” in dealing with Adobe license changes – but there is high dissatisfaction (at least on my part…) in the direction their licensing is moving.
We have been long-term CLP customers and have seen:
· flip-flops from concurrent-use to NO concurrent-use
· product bundles that have shifted over time, sometimes without much logic. certain standalone products that are price prohibitive if purchased outside of a bundle with stuff you don’t want or need.
· many years of paying annual maintenance for products – now to be told that is no longer offered
· suggestions that “individual named-users” is a licensing model that would ever work in a HE setting… grrrrr…
We have also met with our licensing team and there is a healthy dose of “we aren’t quite sure where this is going” – but the status quo has ended. Our annual costs for similar levels of product will more than double with the proposal currently on the table. Ugh!!! I could go on….
It seems like we could use a concerted effort from many campuses to regain some sanity from Adobe….
Dave Tindall
Asst VP for Technology Services (CIO)
Seattle Pacific University
Computer & Information Systems
Phone: (206) 281-2239
Fax: (206) 281-2850
Email: dtindall@spu.edu
Web: www.spu.edu
SPU Mobile: mobile.spu.edu
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Gordon,
We’re undergoing an audit right now. What fun! And we have the same concerns others have expressed about the direction Adobe is heading with their new licensing “strategy.” I recently heard from a very reliable source that the Creative Cloud licensing for higher education will be priced at $29.99 per month per license. Ouch!
There is strength in numbers, so maybe we can work together to drive more reasonable licensing agreements at least for higher-ed.
Thanks,
Mickey
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Michael R. Belote
Chief Technology Officer
Mercer University
1400 Coleman Avenue
Macon, GA 31207
O: 478-301-2850
M: 478-719-2955
http://IT.Mercer.edu
Gordon, better add Pomona College as well. Thanks. Julianne Journitz Director of Client Services ITS Pomona College
Before we are swamped with more "please includes", please let us pause and see what we can work out for a discussion.
Thanks
Theresa
Steven,
Is this something you could provide over email to the group?
Thank you
Diane Manns
Business Manager Information Services
Ohio Wesleyan University
Information Services
Delaware, Ohio 43015
v: 740 368-3264
f: 740 368-3272
www.owu.edu
From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steven A Terry (sterry)
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:38 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit
Theresa –
Sure – give me a call at your convenience. Cheers!
Steve
Steven A. Terry
Director, Technology Utilization
University of Memphis
AD 377
Memphis, TN 38115
Desk: 901-678-2194
Cell: 901-258-5205
Twitter: tigersteve
FB: steve.terry1
Skype: tigersterry
From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Theresa Rowe
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:51 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] [CIO] Adobe software audit
Would you be able to take a few minutes to describe what you are having to provide, and how you are going about providing it?
Theresa
Associate CIO
IITS staff will never ask for your password.
And I will be glad to represent the University of Idaho in such discussions.
Thanks,
Dan
Daniel Ewart / Chief Information Officer / Information Technology Services
208-885-2271 /Administration Bldg Room 140 / PO Box 443155 Moscow ID 83844-3155
From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Fabiani
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:32 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit
Please add me for Haverford. We'll be interested to hear what they have to say. Adobe's licensing models are mind boggling. Coming together as a group to discuss it would be very helpful for Haverford.
___________________________
Steve Fabiani
Associate CIO
Instructional and Information Technology Services
Haverford College | Stokes 204 | 267.475.8480 (c) | 610.896.2917
IITS staff will never ask for your password.
The privacy of your password enhances the privacy of our entire community and the integrity of our technology environment.
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We had Adobe tell us that we had until March 15 to make a decision regarding the site license or that we would be out of luck. The cost just for faculty and staff was out of my price range, especially for an unplanned expenditure. We had a conference call with our Adobe representative and a representative of our reseller of choice. We thought Adobe was going to be able to give us details of some additional licensing models during the call. This was not the case. They only reiterated the deadline and said they would announce the new plan(s) before March 15, 2013.
Needless to say, we are near to March 15. We asked our reseller for an update. This is, in part what he said, “Adobe listed March 15 as the deadline in error. The "commitment response" to move forward with this consolidated agreement is needed from each participating school by May 18th, 2013 using the following web form: … It's my understanding Adobe will introduce another license program in education (still term/subscription based) before summer. However no information is available at this time.
There is much yet to be determined by Adobe.”
It appears to me that Adobe was caught off guard by the community’s reaction and is trying to recover.
--Randy
Charles R. Williams
Chief Information Officer
Benedictine University
5700 College Road
Lisle, IL 60532
630-829-6025
From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Knox, Marg
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:59 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit
Mike, we have had an active discussion over on the Licensing list wrt Adobe including software audits, concurrency, their push to site license, effects on virtual usage especially for students using own computers, their move to subscription, alternatives and even their cloud services.
On concurrency , here is the section from their volume licensing information on concurrency restrictions . These go into effect at next contract renewal so it is not affecting all yet. It will apply to new licensing. Adobe does have a nice site for reading about their licensing.
Concurrency restrictions...
Only authorized Education Institutions, as defined in the Education CLP, that are currently enrolled in Education CLP may order Concurrent Use Licenses. Software ordered pursuant to a Concurrent Use License under the Education CLP shall be limited to access and use only on Computers (as such term is defined in the EULA) physically located in a classroom or student lab facility. Concurrent Licenses may not be used across different education institutions. In addition, the Software may only be used or accessed from a Computer owned or leased by you. As such, access and use of the Software from locations not meeting the foregoing requirements are prohibited under a Concurrent Use License. The following are a nonexhaustive list of examples of prohibited scenarios:
· Access or use of the Software on a Computer not physically located at a campus facility
· Installation or use of the Software on a Computer not owned and controlled by you (including but not limited to Computers owned by students or otherwise in students’ possession)
· Access or use of the Software for administrative use
· Access or use of the Software in a virtual lab through remote access
· A school district or school system that purchases a Concurrent Use License that is metered for use by multiple schools within the district or system
·
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Margaret (Marg) H. Knox
The University of Texas System
On Mar 8, 2013, at 8:46 PM, "Mike Meyer" <mmeyer@HAWAII.EDU> wrote:
Thanks for sharing, Randy. I’m still trying to connect with Trevor Bailey of Adobe – as soon as I do, I’ll report back.
Gordon
From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Charles
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:32 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit
We had Adobe tell us that we had until March 15 to make a decision regarding the site license or that we would be out of luck. The cost just for faculty and staff was out of my price range, especially for an unplanned expenditure. We had a conference call with our Adobe representative and a representative of our reseller of choice. We thought Adobe was going to be able to give us details of some additional licensing models during the call. This was not the case. They only reiterated the deadline and said they would announce the new plan(s) before March 15, 2013.
Needless to say, we are near to March 15. We asked our reseller for an update. This is, in part what he said, “Adobe listed March 15 as the deadline in error. The "commitment response" to move forward with this consolidated agreement is needed from each participating school by May 18th, 2013 using the following web form: … It's my understanding Adobe will introduce another license program in education (still term/subscription based) before summer. However no information is available at this time.
There is much yet to be determined by Adobe.”
It appears to me that Adobe was caught off guard by the community’s reaction and is trying to recover.
--Randy
Charles R. Williams
Chief Information Officer
Benedictine University
5700 College Road
Lisle, IL 60532
630-829-6025
From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Knox, Marg
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:59 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Adobe software audit
Mike, we have had an active discussion over on the Licensing list wrt Adobe including software audits, concurrency, their push to site license, effects on virtual usage especially for students using own computers, their move to subscription, alternatives and even their cloud services.
On concurrency , here is the section from their volume licensing information on concurrency restrictions . These go into effect at next contract renewal so it is not affecting all yet. It will apply to new licensing. Adobe does have a nice site for reading about their licensing.
Concurrency restrictions...
Only authorized Education Institutions, as defined in the Education CLP, that are currently enrolled in Education CLP may order Concurrent Use Licenses. Software ordered pursuant to a Concurrent Use License under the Education CLP shall be limited to access and use only on Computers (as such term is defined in the EULA) physically located in a classroom or student lab facility. Concurrent Licenses may not be used across different education institutions. In addition, the Software may only be used or accessed from a Computer owned or leased by you. As such, access and use of the Software from locations not meeting the foregoing requirements are prohibited under a Concurrent Use License. The following are a nonexhaustive list of examples of prohibited scenarios:
· Access or use of the Software on a Computer not physically located at a campus facility
· Installation or use of the Software on a Computer not owned and controlled by you (including but not limited to Computers owned by students or otherwise in students’ possession)
· Access or use of the Software for administrative use
· Access or use of the Software in a virtual lab through remote access
· A school district or school system that purchases a Concurrent Use License that is metered for use by multiple schools within the district or system
·
Sent from my iPad
Margaret (Marg) H. Knox
The University of Texas System
On Mar 8, 2013, at 8:46 PM, "Mike Meyer" <mmeyer@HAWAII.EDU> wrote: