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Are Coursera Courses Really MOOCs?
I want to preference my question here with
a couple of quick notes...
(a) Although I've been following the MOOC trend fairly closely and spent time "observing" the MITx Circuits course, I'm still very much a "learner" in this domain.
(b) Although I think there are possibly more questions than answers when it comes to MOOCs, I find some of the things they are doing very interesting/exciting and I'm also VERY happy to see higher education experiment with new models.
My understanding (but those with more experience should certainly correct me) is that the original concept of Massively Open Online Courses (MOOCs) was really about creating learning communities that would openly share knowledge and work as a community to create and participate in a common learning experience. Wikipedia notes (citing several sources) that there are four core principles associated with MOOCs, which are:
(1) The first principle is aggregation. The whole point of a MOOC is to provide a starting point for a massive amount of content to be produced in different places online, which is later aggregated as a newsletter or a web page accessible to participants on a regular basis. This is in contrast to traditional courses, where the content is prepared ahead of time.
(2) The second principle is remixing, that is, associating materials created within the course with each other and with materials elsewhere.
(3) The third principle is re-purposing of aggregated and remixed materials to suit goals of each participant.
(4) The fourth principle is feeding forward, that is, sharing of re-purposed ideas and content with other participants and the rest of the world.
[more details and citations are at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course]
When one considers these four principles they seem to center around, at least for me, core concepts that closely align with things such as Open Educational Resources and the other "flavors" of openness which have been developing over the past decade or so. For example, these principles focus on things such as: (a) content is produced as part of the course, not prepared ahead of time; (b) content is remixed, both within the course and with content outside the course; and (c) content, particularly remixed and re-purposed content, is shared among participants and, importantly, with the rest of the world.
As I explored the Coursera site and considered signing up for a course I decided to take a look (as I'm sure we all do ;-)) at the Terms of Service (https://www.coursera.org/about/terms) and was a little surprised to see the following:
"All content or other materials available on the Sites, including but not limited to code, images, text, layouts, arrangements, displays, illustrations, audio and video clips, HTML files and other content are the property of Coursera and/or its affiliates or licensors and are protected by copyright, patent and/or other proprietary intellectual property rights under the United States and foreign laws....You may not otherwise copy, reproduce, retransmit, distribute, publish, commercially exploit or otherwise transfer any material, nor may you modify or create derivatives works of the material. The burden of determining that your use of any information, software or any other content on the Site is permissible rests with you."
In addition, they note the following related to user materials that are submitted to courses:
"With respect to User Content you submit or otherwise make available in connection with your use of the Site, and subject to the Privacy Policy, you grant Coursera and the Participating Institutions a fully transferable, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free and non-exclusive license to use, distribute, sublicense, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such User Content."
Now, I'm sure there are good legal reasons to have such statements but, at least for me, they raised some big questions about whether some of the really powerful learning that I've associated with MOOCs will come out of Coursera courses if the ability to remix and share content is limited (I'll also admit to being a little surprised that what I submit seems, if I'm reading it correct, to be then owned by Coursera). From my participating in MOOCs I've found the contributions of students, including content they develop, and how that content is remixed to be integral to the learning experience. If that is removed will the learning experience be the same? I've also felt that a powerful outcome of MOOCs could be the establishment of a sustainable learning community that would "survive" the course and continue to engage in learning together...but I wonder if that would happen without the open sharing and remixing of content?
Again, I am a big fan of change in higher education and I think Coursera and other similar ventures are driving change in good and interesting ways. I'm also excited about the conversation that these ventures are simulating. I'm just wondering if what was originally a very open model for learning is morphing into something that is more closed and what the implications for such a shift might be with regards to learning. Ultimately, I think there is a big question about whether initiatives like Coursera are truly creating new powerful models for learning or if we are simply creating "massive online courses" (dropping the open) and from our experience with those in the late 1990's I'm not sure it will result in the level of change we might all desire.
I'd love to hear other opinions and thoughts.
Josh
-----------------------------
Joshua Baron
Senior Academic Technology Officer
Marist College
Poughkeepsie, New York 12601
(845) 575-3623 (work)
Twitter: JoshBaron ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
(a) Although I've been following the MOOC trend fairly closely and spent time "observing" the MITx Circuits course, I'm still very much a "learner" in this domain.
(b) Although I think there are possibly more questions than answers when it comes to MOOCs, I find some of the things they are doing very interesting/exciting and I'm also VERY happy to see higher education experiment with new models.
My understanding (but those with more experience should certainly correct me) is that the original concept of Massively Open Online Courses (MOOCs) was really about creating learning communities that would openly share knowledge and work as a community to create and participate in a common learning experience. Wikipedia notes (citing several sources) that there are four core principles associated with MOOCs, which are:
(1) The first principle is aggregation. The whole point of a MOOC is to provide a starting point for a massive amount of content to be produced in different places online, which is later aggregated as a newsletter or a web page accessible to participants on a regular basis. This is in contrast to traditional courses, where the content is prepared ahead of time.
(2) The second principle is remixing, that is, associating materials created within the course with each other and with materials elsewhere.
(3) The third principle is re-purposing of aggregated and remixed materials to suit goals of each participant.
(4) The fourth principle is feeding forward, that is, sharing of re-purposed ideas and content with other participants and the rest of the world.
[more details and citations are at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course]
When one considers these four principles they seem to center around, at least for me, core concepts that closely align with things such as Open Educational Resources and the other "flavors" of openness which have been developing over the past decade or so. For example, these principles focus on things such as: (a) content is produced as part of the course, not prepared ahead of time; (b) content is remixed, both within the course and with content outside the course; and (c) content, particularly remixed and re-purposed content, is shared among participants and, importantly, with the rest of the world.
As I explored the Coursera site and considered signing up for a course I decided to take a look (as I'm sure we all do ;-)) at the Terms of Service (https://www.coursera.org/about/terms) and was a little surprised to see the following:
"All content or other materials available on the Sites, including but not limited to code, images, text, layouts, arrangements, displays, illustrations, audio and video clips, HTML files and other content are the property of Coursera and/or its affiliates or licensors and are protected by copyright, patent and/or other proprietary intellectual property rights under the United States and foreign laws....You may not otherwise copy, reproduce, retransmit, distribute, publish, commercially exploit or otherwise transfer any material, nor may you modify or create derivatives works of the material. The burden of determining that your use of any information, software or any other content on the Site is permissible rests with you."
In addition, they note the following related to user materials that are submitted to courses:
"With respect to User Content you submit or otherwise make available in connection with your use of the Site, and subject to the Privacy Policy, you grant Coursera and the Participating Institutions a fully transferable, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free and non-exclusive license to use, distribute, sublicense, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such User Content."
Now, I'm sure there are good legal reasons to have such statements but, at least for me, they raised some big questions about whether some of the really powerful learning that I've associated with MOOCs will come out of Coursera courses if the ability to remix and share content is limited (I'll also admit to being a little surprised that what I submit seems, if I'm reading it correct, to be then owned by Coursera). From my participating in MOOCs I've found the contributions of students, including content they develop, and how that content is remixed to be integral to the learning experience. If that is removed will the learning experience be the same? I've also felt that a powerful outcome of MOOCs could be the establishment of a sustainable learning community that would "survive" the course and continue to engage in learning together...but I wonder if that would happen without the open sharing and remixing of content?
Again, I am a big fan of change in higher education and I think Coursera and other similar ventures are driving change in good and interesting ways. I'm also excited about the conversation that these ventures are simulating. I'm just wondering if what was originally a very open model for learning is morphing into something that is more closed and what the implications for such a shift might be with regards to learning. Ultimately, I think there is a big question about whether initiatives like Coursera are truly creating new powerful models for learning or if we are simply creating "massive online courses" (dropping the open) and from our experience with those in the late 1990's I'm not sure it will result in the level of change we might all desire.
I'd love to hear other opinions and thoughts.
Josh
-----------------------------
Joshua Baron
Senior Academic Technology Officer
Marist College
Poughkeepsie, New York 12601
(845) 575-3623 (work)
Twitter: JoshBaron ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

















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I want to preference my question here with a couple of quick notes...
(a) Although I've been following the MOOC trend fairly closely and spent time "observing" the MITx Circuits course, I'm still very much a "learner" in this domain.
(b) Although I think there are possibly more questions than answers when it comes to MOOCs, I find some of the things they are doing very interesting/exciting and I'm also VERY happy to see higher education experiment with new models.
My understanding (but those with more experience should certainly correct me) is that the original concept of Massively Open Online Courses (MOOCs) was really about creating learning communities that would openly share knowledge and work as a community to create and participate in a common learning experience. Wikipedia notes (citing several sources) that there are four core principles associated with MOOCs, which are:
(1) The first principle is aggregation. The whole point of a MOOC is to provide a starting point for a massive amount of content to be produced in different places online, which is later aggregated as a newsletter or a web page accessible to participants on a regular basis. This is in contrast to traditional courses, where the content is prepared ahead of time.
(2) The second principle is remixing, that is, associating materials created within the course with each other and with materials elsewhere.
(3) The third principle is re-purposing of aggregated and remixed materials to suit goals of each participant.
(4) The fourth principle is feeding forward, that is, sharing of re-purposed ideas and content with other participants and the rest of the world.
[more details and citations are at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course]
When one considers these four principles they seem to center around, at least for me, core concepts that closely align with things such as Open Educational Resources and the other "flavors" of openness which have been developing over the past decade or so. For example, these principles focus on things such as: (a) content is produced as part of the course, not prepared ahead of time; (b) content is remixed, both within the course and with content outside the course; and (c) content, particularly remixed and re-purposed content, is shared among participants and, importantly, with the rest of the world.
As I explored the Coursera site and considered signing up for a course I decided to take a look (as I'm sure we all do ;-)) at the Terms of Service (https://www.coursera.org/about/terms) and was a little surprised to see the following:
"All content or other materials available on the Sites, including but not limited to code, images, text, layouts, arrangements, displays, illustrations, audio and video clips, HTML files and other content are the property of Coursera and/or its affiliates or licensors and are protected by copyright, patent and/or other proprietary intellectual property rights under the United States and foreign laws....You may not otherwise copy, reproduce, retransmit, distribute, publish, commercially exploit or otherwise transfer any material, nor may you modify or create derivatives works of the material. The burden of determining that your use of any information, software or any other content on the Site is permissible rests with you."
In addition, they note the following related to user materials that are submitted to courses:
"With respect to User Content you submit or otherwise make available in connection with your use of the Site, and subject to the Privacy Policy, you grant Coursera and the Participating Institutions a fully transferable, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free and non-exclusive license to use, distribute, sublicense, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such User Content."
Now, I'm sure there are good legal reasons to have such statements but, at least for me, they raised some big questions about whether some of the really powerful learning that I've associated with MOOCs will come out of Coursera courses if the ability to remix and share content is limited (I'll also admit to being a little surprised that what I submit seems, if I'm reading it correct, to be then owned by Coursera). From my participating in MOOCs I've found the contributions of students, including content they develop, and how that content is remixed to be integral to the learning experience. If that is removed will the learning experience be the same? I've also felt that a powerful outcome of MOOCs could be the establishment of a sustainable learning community that would "survive" the course and continue to engage in learning together...but I wonder if that would happen without the open sharing and remixing of content?
Again, I am a big fan of change in higher education and I think Coursera and other similar ventures are driving change in good and interesting ways. I'm also excited about the conversation that these ventures are simulating. I'm just wondering if what was originally a very open model for learning is morphing into something that is more closed and what the implications for such a shift might be with regards to learning. Ultimately, I think there is a big question about whether initiatives like Coursera are truly creating new powerful models for learning or if we are simply creating "massive online courses" (dropping the open) and from our experience with those in the late 1990's I'm not sure it will result in the level of change we might all desire.
I'd love to hear other opinions and thoughts.
Josh
-----------------------------
Joshua Baron
Senior Academic Technology Officer
Marist College
Poughkeepsie, New York 12601
(845) 575-3623 (work)
Twitter: JoshBaron ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
in a MOOC. I signed up for 5 CourseEra courses last week -- without a
tuition charge it's like a healthcare plan without any copayment (well
*sort of*). You can gorge at no personal cost. BTW, Chuck starts his
Internet History, Technology, and Security course today (I wonder why
I haven't gotten any email reminders about first steps?). You can
still sign up at:
https://www.coursera.org/course/insidetheinternet
Luke
http://itintheuniversity.blogspot.com
>>> Josh Baron <Josh.Baron@MARIST.EDU> 7/23/2012 7:59 AM >>>
Note: Sorry for the cross posting, a few people suggested that I post this to this list in addition to the CIO list where it was posted last week.
I want to preference my question here with a couple of quick notes...
(a) Although I've been following the MOOC trend fairly closely and spent time "observing" the MITx Circuits course, I'm still very much a "learner" in this domain.
(b) Although I think there are possibly more questions than answers when it comes to MOOCs, I find some of the things they are doing very interesting/exciting and I'm also VERY happy to see higher education experiment with new models.
My understanding (but those with more experience should certainly correct me) is that the original concept of Massively Open Online Courses (MOOCs) was really about creating learning communities that would openly share knowledge and work as a community to create and participate in a common learning experience. Wikipedia notes (citing several sources) that there are four core principles associated with MOOCs, which are:
(1) The first principle is aggregation. The whole point of a MOOC is to provide a starting point for a massive amount of content to be produced in different places online, which is later aggregated as a newsletter or a web page accessible to participants on a regular basis. This is in contrast to traditional courses, where the content is prepared ahead of time.
(2) The second principle is remixing, that is, associating materials created within the course with each other and with materials elsewhere.
(3) The third principle is re-purposing of aggregated and remixed materials to suit goals of each participant.
(4) The fourth principle is feeding forward, that is, sharing of re-purposed ideas and content with other participants and the rest of the world.
[more details and citations are at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course]
When one considers these four principles they seem to center around, at least for me, core concepts that closely align with things such as Open Educational Resources and the other "flavors" of openness which have been developing over the past decade or so. For example, these principles focus on things such as: (a) content is produced as part of the course, not prepared ahead of time; (b) content is remixed, both within the course and with content outside the course; and (c) content, particularly remixed and re-purposed content, is shared among participants and, importantly, with the rest of the world.
As I explored the Coursera site and considered signing up for a course I decided to take a look (as I'm sure we all do ;-)) at the Terms of Service (https://www.coursera.org/about/terms) and was a little surprised to see the following:
"All content or other materials available on the Sites, including but not limited to code, images, text, layouts, arrangements, displays, illustrations, audio and video clips, HTML files and other content are the property of Coursera and/or its affiliates or licensors and are protected by copyright, patent and/or other proprietary intellectual property rights under the United States and foreign laws....You may not otherwise copy, reproduce, retransmit, distribute, publish, commercially exploit or otherwise transfer any material, nor may you modify or create derivatives works of the material. The burden of determining that your use of any information, software or any other content on the Site is permissible rests with you."
In addition, they note the following related to user materials that are submitted to courses:
"With respect to User Content you submit or otherwise make available in connection with your use of the Site, and subject to the Privacy Policy, you grant Coursera and the Participating Institutions a fully transferable, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free and non-exclusive license to use, distribute, sublicense, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such User Content."
Now, I'm sure there are good legal reasons to have such statements but, at least for me, they raised some big questions about whether some of the really powerful learning that I've associated with MOOCs will come out of Coursera courses if the ability to remix and share content is limited (I'll also admit to being a little surprised that what I submit seems, if I'm reading it correct, to be then owned by Coursera). From my participating in MOOCs I've found the contributions of students, including content they develop, and how that content is remixed to be integral to the learning experience. If that is removed will the learning experience be the same? I've also felt that a powerful outcome of MOOCs could be the establishment of a sustainable learning community that would "survive" the course and continue to engage in learning together...but I wonder if that would happen without the open sharing and remixing of content?
Again, I am a big fan of change in higher education and I think Coursera and other similar ventures are driving change in good and interesting ways. I'm also excited about the conversation that these ventures are simulating. I'm just wondering if what was originally a very open model for learning is morphing into something that is more closed and what the implications for such a shift might be with regards to learning. Ultimately, I think there is a big question about whether initiatives like Coursera are truly creating new powerful models for learning or if we are simply creating "massive online courses" (dropping the open) and from our experience with those in the late 1990's I'm not sure it will result in the level of change we might all desire.
I'd love to hear other opinions and thoughts.
Josh
-----------------------------
Joshua Baron
Senior Academic Technology Officer
Marist College
Poughkeepsie, New York 12601
(845) 575-3623 (work)
Twitter: JoshBaron ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
As someone who has taught in this format since before they were called MOOCs, I would answer: No. I've explained my thinking here - http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/2436 David
You raise very important points.
I do believe that you are correct: MOOCs were intended as a way to openly share knowledge and work so that learners, wherever and however those learners were defined, could participate in a common learning experience.
I'm tempted to say that we have been doing this kind of work in in higher education for years (e.g correspondence courses, TV broadcast of produced courses), although new and emerging technologies certainly allow greater capacity to mass, share and remix information.
And, yes, we should be concerned about the terms of service associated with MOOCs, as with any technology or business service in which we invest.
I would speak, as well, to purpose. Why, as institutions, do we want invest in the development of MOOCs? Do we seek to expand access to knowledge, via the "MOOC as Open Education Resource"? Are we sharing knowledge for the public good, in our responsibility to reach out to learning communities? Are we hoping to brand our institutions in areas of excellence? Are we seeking to market ourselves overseas, developing international reputation? Are we promoting our exceptional faculty?
The purpose of our investment in MOOCs help us to understand the terms and conditions that we are willing to negotiate in the development of such learning resources.
How about others? Why is your institution investing in MOOCs?
All best,
Sharon
At 02:01 PM 7/20/2012, Josh Baron wrote:
Sharon P. Pitt
Executive Director
Division of Instructional Technology
George Mason University
416 Innovation Hall
MS 1F3
Fairfax, VA 22030
703.993.3178 (W)
703.993.4544 (F)
spitt@gmu.edu
http://doit.gmu.edu
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Given the recent media fascination with MOOCS, this sequence is particularly relevent:
First, a NYT op ed piece from a UVa faculty member on why large scale f2f lectures are superior to online (stop giggling and read it, and recall one of the criticisms levelled at the UVa president was reticence to enter online learning):
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/20/opinion/the-trouble-with-online-education.html?_r=1&smid=pl-share
Joshua Kim crafts a fine rebuttal and delineates between the "typical" online course and the MOOC experience:
http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/technology-and-learning/open-letter-professor-edmundson \
Kim further expands the differerences between MOOCs and established online courses here:
http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/technology-and-learning/parsing-nytimes-coverage-growth-moocs#.UAeIlrXLkt4.facebook
Based on my own experience to date, it's also important to differentiate a true MOOC from an open enrollment online course, to wit:
Downe's upcoming MOOC co-sponsored by D2L:
http://edfuture.net/
likely to be a MOOC in the pure connectivist/constructivst nature (though interesting that he's teamed with D2L)
Seimens' and Downes' PLENK2010 MOOC on personal learning environments- clearly a MOOC in terms of its amorphous structure and lack of explicit learning goals.
Various Coursera courses I've sampled and failed to complete: open enrollment, but not MOOCs. Clearly stated learning outcomes (behavioral/cognitivist approach) and fairly traditional assessment activities.
Power Searching with Google - really just another Coursera course with the high profile Google name brand. Unit level assessments, a mid-term and a final. Definitely not a MOOC.
Bonk's open course for Blackboard - not a MOOC, for reasons cited above. I didn't really get to debate this with Curt when I saw him at BbWorld, but I did suggest that the concept of an "anchored space" could be a differentiator for a MOOC. The leading MOOC proponents tend to shy away from the LMS as the learner's anchor point.
Lastly, Downes' own words on MOOC characteristics:
http://desire4community.com/mooc-and-the-future-of-higher-education-chatting-with-stephen-downes/
Greg Ketcham
Assistant Director, Distance Learning
Division of Extended Learning
SUNY Oswego
voice: (315)312-2270
fax: (315)312-3078
Education has always been somewhat elitist--providing knowledge based on criteria: money, circumstances, prior experience, scores on tests, recommendations...and on and on... So, access to free courses, and with assessments, without pre-reqs etc, is open. It may not be "open" as defined by licensing, but it is open as defined by access--which is how the word has historically been used in reference to education. Whether the materials are copyrighted or not is probably nott as important to the students who desperately need the knowledge, as some of us in the world of openness might like to believe--at least that is the feedback I've gotten from individuals I know are accessing these courses.
I think it is important to pay attention to the qualifier that appears after "open" when we are speaking about openness.
Ellen
Ellen Marie Murphy
Director of Online Curriculum
SUNY Empire State College
113 West Ave
Saratoga Springs, NY 12866
518-587-2100 Ext: 2961
twitter: ellen_marie
Ellen
Ellen Marie Murphy
Director of Online Curriculum
SUNY Empire State College
113 West Ave
Saratoga Springs, NY 12866
518-587-2100 Ext: 2961
twitter: ellen_marie
I haven’t been following this discussion closely due to having some pretty smokin’ irons in the fire this week. But in a conversation here in Montana a couple weeks ago, I suggested that from at least one perspective, MOOCs are basically the same thing as branded ball caps or football jerseys for geeks . . . a little branded piece of an elite institution that is as valuable for the brand as for the rest of the experience. I’m not certain how far that business model of giving it away would carry most public institutions. I know that makes me sound old and cynical, but I guess I am.
Peg Wherry
Director of Online and Distance Learning
Extended University Montana State University
128 EPS Building, P. O. Box 173860
Bozeman, MT 59717-3860
Tel (406) 994-6685
Fax (406) 994-7856
margaret.wherry@montana.edu
http://eu.montana.edu
(1) The first principle is aggregation. The whole point of a MOOC is to provide a starting point for a massive amount of content to be produced in different places online, which is later aggregated as a newsletter or a web page accessible to participants on a regular basis. This is in contrast to traditional courses, where the content is prepared ahead of time.
(2) The second principle is remixing, that is, associating materials created within the course with each other and with materials elsewhere.
(3) The third principle is re-purposing of aggregated and remixed materials to suit goals of each participant.
(4) The fourth principle is feeding forward, that is, sharing of re-purposed ideas and content with other participants and the rest of the world.
[more details and citations are at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course]
When one considers these four principles they seem to center around, at least for me, core concepts that closely align with things such as Open Educational Resources and the other "flavors" of openness which have been developing over the past decade or so. For example, these principles focus on things such as: (a) content is produced as part of the course, not prepared ahead of time; (b) content is remixed, both within the course and with content outside the course; and (c) content, particularly remixed and re-purposed content, is shared among participants and, importantly, with the rest of the world.
As I explored the Coursera site and considered signing up for a course I decided to take a look (as I'm sure we all do ;-)) at the Terms of Service ( https://www.coursera.org/about/terms) and was a little surprised to see the following:
"All content or other materials available on the Sites, including but not limited to code, images, text, layouts, arrangements, displays, illustrations, audio and video clips, HTML files and other content are the property of Coursera and/or its affiliates or licensors and are protected by copyright, patent and/or other proprietary intellectual property rights under the United States and foreign laws....You may not otherwise copy, reproduce, retransmit, distribute, publish, commercially exploit or otherwise transfer any material, nor may you modify or create derivatives works of the material. The burden of determining that your use of any information, software or any other content on the Site is permissible rests with you."
In addition, they note the following related to user materials that are submitted to courses:
"With respect to User Content you submit or otherwise make available in connection with your use of the Site, and subject to the Privacy Policy, you grant Coursera and the Participating Institutions a fully transferable, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free and non-exclusive license to use, distribute, sublicense, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such User Content."
Now, I'm sure there are good legal reasons to have such statements but, at least for me, they raised some big questions about whether some of the really powerful learning that I've associated with MOOCs will come out of Coursera courses if the ability to remix and share content is limited (I'll also admit to being a little surprised that what I submit seems, if I'm reading it correct, to be then owned by Coursera). From my participating in MOOCs I've found the contributions of students, including content they develop, and how that content is remixed to be integral to the learning experience. If that is removed will the learning experience be the same? I've also felt that a powerful outcome of MOOCs could be the establishment of a sustainable learning community that would "survive" the course and continue to engage in learning together...but I wonder if that would happen without the open sharing and remixing of content?
Again, I am a big fan of change in higher education and I think Coursera and other similar ventures are driving change in good and interesting ways. I'm also excited about the conversation that these ventures are simulating. I'm just wondering if what was originally a very open model for learning is morphing into something that is more closed and what the implications for such a shift might be with regards to learning. Ultimately, I think there is a big question about whether initiatives like Coursera are truly creating new powerful models for learning or if we are simply creating "massive online courses" (dropping the open) and from our experience with those in the late 1990's I'm not sure it will result in the level of change we might all desire.
Clark Shah-Nelson
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From: Clark Shah-Nelson <clarkshahnelson@GMAIL.COM>
To: BLEND-ONLINE@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU,
Date: 07/24/2012 04:07 PM
Subject: Re: [BLEND-ONLINE] [CIO] Are Coursera Courses Really MOOCs?
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Hi all,
Seems like MOOCs are like punk rock. Born with a certain philosophy and goals, created, played and lived in a certain way, only to be branched off into many different sub-genres, some more commercial, some less, and all with their own audience and so on, all calling the others poseurs? So why can't a Coursera course be a MOOC? Because it has state learning objectives, pre-prepared content, and traditional assessments? Like many memes, MOOCs have already proceeded into the early middle part of the curve - where people are still debating what is and is not a MOOC, at the same time as many varieties and off-shoots are arising, most of which at least share part if not most of the spirit of the original?
So I've enrolled in a Coursera course - and while there is content (videos mostly), quizzes, assignments, and so on, there are also students starting Facebook study groups, proposing Grooveshark and YouTube collective playlists, Google+ Hangouts and any number of other things arising from the students. So even if the course was not designed to have all of that form of aggregated openness, it can emerge. This course contains lots of links to YouTube videos as well, so I could definitely do some mashups and remixes (as long as those resources have the correct licensing).
As for content and remixing, it should be noted that the content is licensed to the institution (at least in our case) - so it follows our institutional licensing. So I don't think it's safe to put all of Coursera into one bucket.
Also, in terms of openness, it's important again to see things as a continuum. Most content/courses are not open or not, there are multiple levels. Looking at the (early in development) Openness Maturity Model (https://wiki.jasig.org/display/2398/Openness+Maturity+Model) one might say that the Coursera course I'm taking is at level 1 or possibly 2, but it still falls into that continuum somewhere.
I guess I'm not convinced by either Greg or Josh's posts that what I experience in Coursera can't fall under the larger MOOC umbrella. Is it the pure punk rock of the original MOOC as defined by Siemens et al? Perhaps not, but I would still say it is massive, open (to at least a certain extent), online, and a course.
Best,
Clark
From: The EDUCAUSE Blended and Online Learning Constituent Group Listserv [BLEND-ONLINE@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gregory Ketcham [greg.ketcham@OSWEGO.EDU]
Various Coursera courses I've sampled and failed to complete: open enrollment, but not MOOCs. Clearly stated learning outcomes (behavioral/cognitivist approach) and fairly traditional assessment activities.
At 02:01 PM 7/20/2012, Josh Baron wrote:
(1) The first principle is aggregation. The whole point of a MOOC is to provide a starting point for a massive amount of content to be produced in different places online, which is later aggregated as a newsletter or a web page accessible to participants on a regular basis. This is in contrast to traditional courses, where the content is prepared ahead of time.
(2) The second principle is remixing, that is, associating materials created within the course with each other and with materials elsewhere.
(3) The third principle is re-purposing of aggregated and remixed materials to suit goals of each participant.
(4) The fourth principle is feeding forward, that is, sharing of re-purposed ideas and content with other participants and the rest of the world.
[more details and citations are at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course]
When one considers these four principles they seem to center around, at least for me, core concepts that closely align with things such as Open Educational Resources and the other "flavors" of openness which have been developing over the past decade or so. For example, these principles focus on things such as: (a) content is produced as part of the course, not prepared ahead of time; (b) content is remixed, both within the course and with content outside the course; and (c) content, particularly remixed and re-purposed content, is shared among participants and, importantly, with the rest of the world.
As I explored the Coursera site and considered signing up for a course I decided to take a look (as I'm sure we all do ;-)) at the Terms of Service ( https://www.coursera.org/about/terms) and was a little surprised to see the following:
"All content or other materials available on the Sites, including but not limited to code, images, text, layouts, arrangements, displays, illustrations, audio and video clips, HTML files and other content are the property of Coursera and/or its affiliates or licensors and are protected by copyright, patent and/or other proprietary intellectual property rights under the United States and foreign laws....You may not otherwise copy, reproduce, retransmit, distribute, publish, commercially exploit or otherwise transfer any material, nor may you modify or create derivatives works of the material. The burden of determining that your use of any information, software or any other content on the Site is permissible rests with you."
In addition, they note the following related to user materials that are submitted to courses:
"With respect to User Content you submit or otherwise make available in connection with your use of the Site, and subject to the Privacy Policy, you grant Coursera and the Participating Institutions a fully transferable, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free and non-exclusive license to use, distribute, sublicense, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such User Content."
Now, I'm sure there are good legal reasons to have such statements but, at least for me, they raised some big questions about whether some of the really powerful learning that I've associated with MOOCs will come out of Coursera courses if the ability to remix and share content is limited (I'll also admit to being a little surprised that what I submit seems, if I'm reading it correct, to be then owned by Coursera). From my participating in MOOCs I've found the contributions of students, including content they develop, and how that content is remixed to be integral to the learning experience. If that is removed will the learning experience be the same? I've also felt that a powerful outcome of MOOCs could be the establishment of a sustainable learning community that would "survive" the course and continue to engage in learning together...but I wonder if that would happen without the open sharing and remixing of content?
Again, I am a big fan of change in higher education and I think Coursera and other similar ventures are driving change in good and interesting ways. I'm also excited about the conversation that these ventures are simulating. I'm just wondering if what was originally a very open model for learning is morphing into something that is more closed and what the implications for such a shift might be with regards to learning. Ultimately, I think there is a big question about whether initiatives like Coursera are truly creating new powerful models for learning or if we are simply creating "massive online courses" (dropping the open) and from our experience with those in the late 1990's I'm not sure it will result in the level of change we might all desire.
Clark Shah-Nelson
Sr. Instructional Designer, Center for Teaching and Learning
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:53:34 -0400
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http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/08/02/conventional-online-universities-consider-strategic-response-moocs
Universities are considering their path and strategic response to free online courses.
Theresa