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Colleagues,

After our previous discussion about Google mapping and some of the articles about Google's data collection are any of you proceeding with plans to let Google map your campus or are you deciding not to allow that to happen?   Google continues to approach us about mapping all the system colleges and I still have concerns about what the real purpose behind the mapping.

Julie

Julie Ouska
CIO/VP of IT
Interim Executive Director CCCOnline
Colorado Community College System
Julie.ouska@cccs.edu
(720) 858-2781 

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Hi Julie,

 

            We’re been talking with Google about it and are discussing it internally, but we haven’t made a decision yet. I would also be very interested in hearing what other schools are doing in this area.

 

Thanks,

 

Mickey

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Michael R. Belote

Chief Technology Officer

Mercer University

1400 Coleman Avenue

Macon, GA 31207

O: 478-301-2850

M: 478-719-2955

http://IT.Mercer.edu

 

All –

 

For security concerns, Brookdale CC has elected not to take advantage of this offer.

 

Patty

 

We have been in discussion with Google as well.  Our Public Safety office has concerns about the availability of floor plans in the wrong hands.  We are moving forward with a scaled down version which does not include residence halls and other key areas that would potentially be high risk targets.

 

Les

 

Les Vaughan
Associate Vice President Information Technology
Wentworth Institute of Technology
550 Huntington Ave
Boston, MA 02115

617-989-4510 desk
617-279-5106 mobile

 

We are currently evaluating the request from Google.

I really appreciate more conversation on this topic. Right now we are not willing to participate in the mapping project.

 

 

Another Illinois CC CIO’s question was: “Is anyone providing Google the MAC addresses of their wireless access points for this?”

 

My response was:

Thank you for asking this, it was where I was heading when I asked about security...do we really want to give out that much information?

 

Google contract Quote below:

For the purposes of this agreement, “Location Information” means Wi-Fi access point MAC addresses (also known as BSSIDs); Wi-Fi access point properties (including signal strength); mobile handset-generated compass, gyroscope and accelerometer measurements; and other related information.

 

Also there is the question of ownership of the information they collect...they want to have all rights with it Quote below I omitted the phrase "will be responsible for all costs of its data collection, and":

Google ...... will be the exclusive owner of all right, title and interest in all data collected on the proper(ties).

 

 

Don’t these statements concern you?

 

 

 

 

Julie:

We are moving forward with allowing Google to map our campus buildings. We are exercising some security precautions by not going into specific detail in some office or admin areas. However, the advantages do justify this move. Their mapping tool is fairly easy to use as well. They will be on campus in the coming months doing a site survey that confirms location information and points of interest as well as providing an up-to-date WiFi map.

Greg Smith
Chief Information Officer
George Fox University
------------------------------
Be Known at Oregon's Nationally Recognized Christian University


We just finished with them onsite.  We did remove some areas from the floor plans we submitted and only did academic and administrative buildings (the public areas) – we did not do any dorms or buildings like campus police.   Really painless and we supplied nothing to them except uploading the floor plans.  They come onsite with Android phones to get signal strength and SSID information, signal strength and direction information that is broadcast publicly.  Any areas they did are open to the public here – took them 2.5 days.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:55 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

Julie:

We are moving forward with allowing Google to map our campus buildings. We are exercising some security precautions by not going into specific detail in some office or admin areas. However, the advantages do justify this move. Their mapping tool is fairly easy to use as well. They will be on campus in the coming months doing a site survey that confirms location information and points of interest as well as providing an up-to-date WiFi map.

Greg Smith
Chief Information Officer
George Fox University
------------------------------
Be Known at Oregon's Nationally Recognized Christian University

I really appreciate all of the information.   For those of you who are doing this, is part of the reason to have a map of your wireless?   Has this been an issue with students?   

Julie

Julie Ouska
CIO/VP, Information Technology
Colorado Community College System
(720) 858-2781
julie.ouska@cccs.edu

From: Steve Swartz <sswartz@FITCHBURGSTATE.EDU>
Reply-To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

We just finished with them onsite.  We did remove some areas from the floor plans we submitted and only did academic and administrative buildings (the public areas) – we did not do any dorms or buildings like campus police.   Really painless and we supplied nothing to them except uploading the floor plans.  They come onsite with Android phones to get signal strength and SSID information, signal strength and direction information that is broadcast publicly.  Any areas they did are open to the public here – took them 2.5 days.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:55 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

Julie:

We are moving forward with allowing Google to map our campus buildings. We are exercising some security precautions by not going into specific detail in some office or admin areas. However, the advantages do justify this move. Their mapping tool is fairly easy to use as well. They will be on campus in the coming months doing a site survey that confirms location information and points of interest as well as providing an up-to-date WiFi map.

Greg Smith
Chief Information Officer
George Fox University
------------------------------
Be Known at Oregon's Nationally Recognized Christian University

No – my understanding is that they use your Wifi APs signal strength and location to determine your location inside the building, so that your “blue dot” will follow you.  It doesn’t show on the map where your APs are …. It’s just used behind the scenes to guesstimate your position in the building.  The only feedback I’ve received from students is positive – they like the idea of being able to navigate to a new classroom in some of our more complex buildings.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ouska, Julie
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:38 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

I really appreciate all of the information.   For those of you who are doing this, is part of the reason to have a map of your wireless?   Has this been an issue with students?   

 

Julie

 

Julie Ouska

CIO/VP, Information Technology

Colorado Community College System

(720) 858-2781

 

From: Steve Swartz <sswartz@FITCHBURGSTATE.EDU>
Reply-To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

We just finished with them onsite.  We did remove some areas from the floor plans we submitted and only did academic and administrative buildings (the public areas) – we did not do any dorms or buildings like campus police.   Really painless and we supplied nothing to them except uploading the floor plans.  They come onsite with Android phones to get signal strength and SSID information, signal strength and direction information that is broadcast publicly.  Any areas they did are open to the public here – took them 2.5 days.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:55 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

Julie:

We are moving forward with allowing Google to map our campus buildings. We are exercising some security precautions by not going into specific detail in some office or admin areas. However, the advantages do justify this move. Their mapping tool is fairly easy to use as well. They will be on campus in the coming months doing a site survey that confirms location information and points of interest as well as providing an up-to-date WiFi map.

Greg Smith
Chief Information Officer
George Fox University
------------------------------
Be Known at Oregon's Nationally Recognized Christian University


Would you be willing to provide a link to your map?  My facilities director would like to see what the end product looks like.

 

Thanks

Richard

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Swartz
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:30 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

No – my understanding is that they use your Wifi APs signal strength and location to determine your location inside the building, so that your “blue dot” will follow you.  It doesn’t show on the map where your APs are …. It’s just used behind the scenes to guesstimate your position in the building.  The only feedback I’ve received from students is positive – they like the idea of being able to navigate to a new classroom in some of our more complex buildings.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ouska, Julie
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:38 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

I really appreciate all of the information.   For those of you who are doing this, is part of the reason to have a map of your wireless?   Has this been an issue with students?   

 

Julie

 

Julie Ouska

CIO/VP, Information Technology

Colorado Community College System

(720) 858-2781

 

From: Steve Swartz <sswartz@FITCHBURGSTATE.EDU>
Reply-To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

We just finished with them onsite.  We did remove some areas from the floor plans we submitted and only did academic and administrative buildings (the public areas) – we did not do any dorms or buildings like campus police.   Really painless and we supplied nothing to them except uploading the floor plans.  They come onsite with Android phones to get signal strength and SSID information, signal strength and direction information that is broadcast publicly.  Any areas they did are open to the public here – took them 2.5 days.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:55 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

Julie:

We are moving forward with allowing Google to map our campus buildings. We are exercising some security precautions by not going into specific detail in some office or admin areas. However, the advantages do justify this move. Their mapping tool is fairly easy to use as well. They will be on campus in the coming months doing a site survey that confirms location information and points of interest as well as providing an up-to-date WiFi map.

Greg Smith
Chief Information Officer
George Fox University
------------------------------
Be Known at Oregon's Nationally Recognized Christian University

Ours isn’t posted yet (they said it would not show for a couple of weeks after their visit) – but you can look at:

 

Clinton Community College 1000 Lincoln Blvd, Clinton, Iowa, 52732

 

In Google maps on an android device to see what the final product looks like.  You control the floor plans uploaded to them, so whatever amount of detail you send will be what shows up.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hiers, Richard
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:09 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

Would you be willing to provide a link to your map?  My facilities director would like to see what the end product looks like.

 

Thanks

Richard

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Swartz
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:30 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

No – my understanding is that they use your Wifi APs signal strength and location to determine your location inside the building, so that your “blue dot” will follow you.  It doesn’t show on the map where your APs are …. It’s just used behind the scenes to guesstimate your position in the building.  The only feedback I’ve received from students is positive – they like the idea of being able to navigate to a new classroom in some of our more complex buildings.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ouska, Julie
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:38 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

I really appreciate all of the information.   For those of you who are doing this, is part of the reason to have a map of your wireless?   Has this been an issue with students?   

 

Julie

 

Julie Ouska

CIO/VP, Information Technology

Colorado Community College System

(720) 858-2781

 

From: Steve Swartz <sswartz@FITCHBURGSTATE.EDU>
Reply-To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

We just finished with them onsite.  We did remove some areas from the floor plans we submitted and only did academic and administrative buildings (the public areas) – we did not do any dorms or buildings like campus police.   Really painless and we supplied nothing to them except uploading the floor plans.  They come onsite with Android phones to get signal strength and SSID information, signal strength and direction information that is broadcast publicly.  Any areas they did are open to the public here – took them 2.5 days.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:55 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

Julie:

We are moving forward with allowing Google to map our campus buildings. We are exercising some security precautions by not going into specific detail in some office or admin areas. However, the advantages do justify this move. Their mapping tool is fairly easy to use as well. They will be on campus in the coming months doing a site survey that confirms location information and points of interest as well as providing an up-to-date WiFi map.

Greg Smith
Chief Information Officer
George Fox University
------------------------------
Be Known at Oregon's Nationally Recognized Christian University

We discussed this with Google, too, and decided against it at this time. I do see some interesting possibilities with the service, but still had several concerns. As a small campus (four main buildings, about 15 classrooms) the utility was limited (plus, we're an Apple iOS dominated campus, so Android-only further limits utility). I also didn't like the conflict between what the Google rep was telling me about the service and what I see on the indoor mapping website. My feeling was this is Google's path into mapping publicly accessible, but privately held property without being summoned to a congressional hearing. Like so many modern web services, we trade low-cost, marginal, incremental gain for exponential gain on the other side: Google will monetize this data eventually (I respect the Google rep for acknowledging this fact during our conversations). In the end, we can always upload the maps (as a small campus Google wasn't offering to come out to do the work, just help us upload the maps) anytime we want. So, we're taking a wait and see attitude on this one.

Ted Wilder
Senior Director of Technology
Luther Seminary



Thanks.  I’ll try to locate an android device.

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Swartz
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:33 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

Ours isn’t posted yet (they said it would not show for a couple of weeks after their visit) – but you can look at:

 

Clinton Community College 1000 Lincoln Blvd, Clinton, Iowa, 52732

 

In Google maps on an android device to see what the final product looks like.  You control the floor plans uploaded to them, so whatever amount of detail you send will be what shows up.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hiers, Richard
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:09 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

Would you be willing to provide a link to your map?  My facilities director would like to see what the end product looks like.

 

Thanks

Richard

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Swartz
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:30 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

No – my understanding is that they use your Wifi APs signal strength and location to determine your location inside the building, so that your “blue dot” will follow you.  It doesn’t show on the map where your APs are …. It’s just used behind the scenes to guesstimate your position in the building.  The only feedback I’ve received from students is positive – they like the idea of being able to navigate to a new classroom in some of our more complex buildings.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ouska, Julie
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:38 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

I really appreciate all of the information.   For those of you who are doing this, is part of the reason to have a map of your wireless?   Has this been an issue with students?   

 

Julie

 

Julie Ouska

CIO/VP, Information Technology

Colorado Community College System

(720) 858-2781

 

From: Steve Swartz <sswartz@FITCHBURGSTATE.EDU>
Reply-To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
To: CIO List <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

We just finished with them onsite.  We did remove some areas from the floor plans we submitted and only did academic and administrative buildings (the public areas) – we did not do any dorms or buildings like campus police.   Really painless and we supplied nothing to them except uploading the floor plans.  They come onsite with Android phones to get signal strength and SSID information, signal strength and direction information that is broadcast publicly.  Any areas they did are open to the public here – took them 2.5 days.

 

-Steve

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:55 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Google Mapping Revisited

 

Julie:

We are moving forward with allowing Google to map our campus buildings. We are exercising some security precautions by not going into specific detail in some office or admin areas. However, the advantages do justify this move. Their mapping tool is fairly easy to use as well. They will be on campus in the coming months doing a site survey that confirms location information and points of interest as well as providing an up-to-date WiFi map.

Greg Smith
Chief Information Officer
George Fox University
------------------------------
Be Known at Oregon's Nationally Recognized Christian University

I wonder if we are talking about Google Street View and such with this?

Our Communications & Marketing people did sign on for this, with legal review and approval.

Theresa

In light of this discussion, are folks keeping on eye on these developments?  The NYT has had almost daily article about it … here is today's:  





On May 21, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Theresa Rowe wrote:

I wonder if we are talking about Google Street View and such with this?

Our Communications & Marketing people did sign on for this, with legal review and approval.

Theresa

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