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We're needing a video streaming server for some online courses we're offering and have had a couple of unsuccessful runs at getting open source Kaltura working. We're no strangers to OSS software, so the question arises, is anybody in higher ed successfully using the OSS version of Kaltura, or only the commercial version.  And the second question would be, if you're not using Kaltura for video streaming are you using something else that is cost effective and good.

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Michael,

We have been using Mediasite from Sonic Foundry for about 5 years now for video streaming.  The video content is integrated with our Angel Learning online and hybrid classes but we also use it to stream live events.  The public catalog is online at http://mediasite.ashland.edu and you will see things from Gmail training sessions and commencement to a dinner presentation by John Boehner.  We are very pleased but we are also looking closely at Panopto because it seems a little easier to deploy to many classrooms (Mediasite is in about 6 rooms and scaling up  would be quite expensive) and it would give faculty an students the ability to record on their personal devices and post that content to class for viewing. Mediasite is suppose to be coming out with something to meet this need as well but so far we haven't seen anything.

Take care!
Curtis

I have to jump in here...

I consider Kaltura, ShareStream, MediaCast and Ensemble to be a completely different breed than lecture capture e.g., Panopto, Mediasite, Echo etc. The only thing they have in common is that they 'stream video'. However, *what* they stream is where we have quite a bit of divergence.

Lecture capture is designed to capture and stream classroom [lecture] content. Playback is most often through an interface that blends PowerPoint with video and audio. Time stamping and thumbnails are auto-generated. (We use Panopto and it's quite effective for this purpose.) The primary people composing the recordings are the faculty. Yes, we have students composing recordings as well, but the Panopto ecosystem is much different - and not as 'ingest friendly' as the true streaming products. Output is one option: Silverlight.

The ShareStream and Kaltura (et. al.) products are much, much different in my opinion. We're quite impressed with ShareStream because of its ability to parallel a YouTube-like experience. (Including searchable metadata.) Export options include H.264, Flash, HTML5, etc. Faculty can create video "assignments" from inside the LMS. Students capture videos using their Smartphone, or Flip, or handheld cameras, or whatever and ingest them into ShareStream. The product automatically transcodes the video and attaches it to the assignment link. Faculty watch the videos and grade them from within the LMS. Similarly, faculty can create an index of videos (with DRM and other native protection) that they can insert onto their course for curricular playback. This avoids a number of issues associated with YouTube. (We've had at least one incident where a faculty member was referencing a standard YouTube video entitled "Shift Happens". Another video with 'similar' metadata appeared instead.) We have students that create video portfolios as part of their capstone projects that would be perfect for ShareStream. As it stands now, they have to create a YouTube account and upload them. While perhaps fine for generic videos, YouTube doesn't work so well when the students have to create videos with, say, special education children - for reasons regarding confidentiality. ShareStream is also the perfect solution for faculty who generate desktop captures using Captivate or Camtasia. Videos are ingested natively into ShareStream and convert to any number of output formats. They also have some nice mobile options...

Panopto does have a product called 'Unison' that comes closer to bridging lecture capture and "standard" video, but it has its own unique niche as well. Still not quite the product we envision for sharing video between students and faculty. No deep LMS integration - yet.


RG

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis White [cdwhite@ASHLAND.EDU]
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 6:51 AM
To: Rob Gibson; The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv
Subject: Re: [CIO] Kaltura Streaming Server.....

Michael,

We have been using Mediasite from Sonic Foundry for about 5 years now for video streaming.  The video content is integrated with our Angel Learning online and hybrid classes but we also use it to stream live events.  The public catalog is online at http://mediasite.ashland.edu and you will see things from Gmail training sessions and commencement to a dinner presentation by John Boehner.  We are very pleased but we are also looking closely at Panopto because it seems a little easier to deploy to many classrooms (Mediasite is in about 6 rooms and scaling up  would be quite expensive) and it would give faculty an students the ability to record on their personal devices and post that content to class for viewing. Mediasite is suppose to be coming out with something to meet this need as well but so far we haven't seen anything.

Take care!
Curtis

Message from amacleod@ocadu.ca

Our overall open-source support experience with Kaltura CE has been poor, with our technicians reporting numerous knowledge base threads that drop off and have no reply to issues that are obviously bugs, and not configuration issues. We attempted to implement it twice, with two different versions CE3 and CE4. The developers are difficult to access and they do not respond to support threads. There appear to be components that are hard coded into the Flash object that are preventing it from functioning properly but that is just our best guess: we had issues with it running reliably over SSL. We're abandoning it and looking elsewhere.

 

 

 

ALASTAIR MACLEOD

DIRECTOR, IT SERVICES

T 416 977 6000 x242

F 416 977 6006

E amacleod@ocadu.ca

OCAD UNIVERSITY

100 McCaul Street, Toronto, Canada M5T 1W1

www.ocadu.ca

 

Please note: My email address has changed to amacleod@ocadu.ca.  Please update my contact information in your records.  Thank you.

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rob Gibson
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:33 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Kaltura Streaming Server.....

 

I have to jump in here...

I consider Kaltura, ShareStream, MediaCast and Ensemble to be a completely different breed than lecture capture e.g., Panopto, Mediasite, Echo etc. The only thing they have in common is that they 'stream video'. However, *what* they stream is where we have quite a bit of divergence.

Lecture capture is designed to capture and stream classroom [lecture] content. Playback is most often through an interface that blends PowerPoint with video and audio. Time stamping and thumbnails are auto-generated. (We use Panopto and it's quite effective for this purpose.) The primary people composing the recordings are the faculty. Yes, we have students composing recordings as well, but the Panopto ecosystem is much different - and not as 'ingest friendly' as the true streaming products. Output is one option: Silverlight.

The ShareStream and Kaltura (et. al.) products are much, much different in my opinion. We're quite impressed with ShareStream because of its ability to parallel a YouTube-like experience. (Including searchable metadata.) Export options include H.264, Flash, HTML5, etc. Faculty can create video "assignments" from inside the LMS. Students capture videos using their Smartphone, or Flip, or handheld cameras, or whatever and ingest them into ShareStream. The product automatically transcodes the video and attaches it to the assignment link. Faculty watch the videos and grade them from within the LMS. Similarly, faculty can create an index of videos (with DRM and other native protection) that they can insert onto their course for curricular playback. This avoids a number of issues associated with YouTube. (We've had at least one incident where a faculty member was referencing a standard YouTube video entitled "Shift Happens". Another video with 'similar' metadata appeared instead.) We have students that create video portfolios as part of their capstone projects that would be perfect for ShareStream. As it stands now, they have to create a YouTube account and upload them. While perhaps fine for generic videos, YouTube doesn't work so well when the students have to create videos with, say, special education children - for reasons regarding confidentiality. ShareStream is also the perfect solution for faculty who generate desktop captures using Captivate or Camtasia. Videos are ingested natively into ShareStream and convert to any number of output formats. They also have some nice mobile options...

Panopto does have a product called 'Unison' that comes closer to bridging lecture capture and "standard" video, but it has its own unique niche as well. Still not quite the product we envision for sharing video between students and faculty. No deep LMS integration - yet.


RG

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis White [cdwhite@ASHLAND.EDU]
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 6:51 AM
To: Rob Gibson; The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv
Subject: Re: [CIO] Kaltura Streaming Server.....

Michael,

 

We have been using Mediasite from Sonic Foundry for about 5 years now for video streaming.  The video content is integrated with our Angel Learning online and hybrid classes but we also use it to stream live events.  The public catalog is online at http://mediasite.ashland.edu and you will see things from Gmail training sessions and commencement to a dinner presentation by John Boehner.  We are very pleased but we are also looking closely at Panopto because it seems a little easier to deploy to many classrooms (Mediasite is in about 6 rooms and scaling up  would be quite expensive) and it would give faculty an students the ability to record on their personal devices and post that content to class for viewing. Mediasite is suppose to be coming out with something to meet this need as well but so far we haven't seen anything.

 

Take care!

Curtis

 

We spent over two years researching the best multimedia delivery platform for instruction *for* our campus, and went back-and-forth between Kaltura and ShareStream. I underscore *for* our campus to emphasize the particular requirements and priorities that any one institution can have at a particular moment when evaluating technology and solutions.

 

We picked ShareStream because it was the best fit for UIC in terms of being extremely easy for our faculty and students to use (which was our most important priority), but also because ShareStream offers a complete package, out-of-the-box, with a rather responsive vendor that is exclusively focus on education. 

 

Kaltura is also very good technology, but I/we did not want to program and hunt among the various Kaltura Inc. and Kaltura open-source software components, like the LMS add-ons, which as of last Fall must be purchased from Kaltura Inc. but certain players and other functionality is strictly open-source and if it doesn’t match what you need, you need to do the right thing and program it yourself, and contribute it to the OSS community, etc.  We did not have time or staff to do that.

 

Besides, ShareStream costs less, is a lot easier to administer, has a much richer digital rights management smarts and uses a database in the backend (as opposed to Kaltura’s flat file architecture) resulting in a much cleaner, faster and more scalable multimedia delivery system.  In terms of the LMS integration, the ShareStream Blackboard Learn LMS add-on is the best I have seen, the easiest to use, and the faculty that have seen it and tried it, love it. Also, unlike Kaltura Inc.’s, ShareStream’s multimedia delivery and playback for mobile devices is included, and works extremely well on all mobile OS platforms.

 

Like Kaltura, ShareStream can be self-hosted or hosted by the vendor.  At this time, we chose to have it hosted, because of staffing issues.  ShareStream’s hosting support and tech support has been wonderful. We think, we made the best decision for our school, but both products are similar and good.

 

Most importantly, we are most pleased that we have finally solved a nagging problem that we have had for several years :: our faculty, teaching staff and students can now easily create multimedia content, simply upload it and easily manage who has access to it.  ShareStream with or without the Blackboard Learn LMS add-on takes care of the rest: compression, transcoding into multiple institutionally-preferred file formats, storing it (inc. optionally saving the original), managing its access and then streaming it on-demand just to a class, just to a group of students, to colleagues inside and outside of our University, with meta tags and asset management functionality, if need be.  Our faculty love that they can finally just upload video to the LMS without needing technical assistance; they can give multimedia student assignments with the same ease as assigning term papers, and the students can just upload their multimedia assignments as easy as they would upload a Microsoft Word or PDF file.

 

I can retire now…

--- Ed

 

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University of Illinois at Chicago

 

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We've had Kaltura up and running for a year plus, some flavor of version 3, so it's old now.  We also have a lot of experience with OSS apps, but originally had some issues to deal with bringing Kaltura up - it not working well with the flavors of linux our campus tech services prefer to run, being very particular about PHP versions, etc.  Kaltura itself now runs very well, but we don't have most campus users work with it directly because the version we're running doesn't support LDAP authentication.  Instead we have it integrated with Moodle and Drupal so that faculty can add video to their Moodle courses or Drupal websites and have the video handled by Kaltura instead of filling up our Moodle & Drupal servers.  The Drupal integration seems to work well, but we've had ongoing problems with the Moodle integration.  And now that we've migrated to Moodle 2.2, we haven't found a functional Moodle/Kaltura integration for our new version of Moodle.

We plan to check out the latest version of Kaltura to confirm that it supports LDAP so our campus users could use their Active Directory accounts to log in.  If that's the case we may rethink our approach to video and have campus users maintain their video & audio libraries in their individual Kaltura accounts and then embed the media into their Moodle or Drupal pages.

keith landa, director
teaching, learning, and technology center
purchase college suny

I don't normally post to this list (not being a CIO and all, ya know), but thought it might be helpful to mention that we are running the commercial version of Kaltura (they host it), and we have it integrated into our test Moodle 2.2 instance using their Moodle 2 plugin. Works beautifully. We're going to be deploying the whole thing in June. I'm happy to answer questions if anyone wants to ask - have a great day, everybody...

Matt
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Matthew Putz, Ed.D.
Director of Teaching and Learning Technology
Bethel University (http://www.bethel.edu)
(651) 638-6467




Hi Matt - that's great to hear. I'm hopeful the upgrade to the latest community edition of Kaltura will address the issues we've had, since we do like the media functionality that Kaltura has. keith landa

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On May 9, 2012, at 8:39 AM, "Matthew Putz" <m-putz@BETHEL.EDU> wrote:

I don't normally post to this list (not being a CIO and all, ya know), but thought it might be helpful to mention that we are running the commercial version of Kaltura (they host it), and we have it integrated into our test Moodle 2.2 instance using their Moodle 2 plugin. Works beautifully. We're going to be deploying the whole thing in June. I'm happy to answer questions if anyone wants to ask - have a great day, everybody...

Matt
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Matthew Putz, Ed.D.
Director of Teaching and Learning Technology
Bethel University (http://www.bethel.edu)
(651) 638-6467




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