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Hi Dewitt,

Unfortunately, we don't have any experience with a stadium that size but the following article will likely be, at least, interesting to you if not useful. 


Good luck!

Mickey

Mickey Belote
M 478-719-2955
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Hi,
Interesting you brought this up.  I think we have to watch what is happening around us, in addition to benchmarks and trends developed from analytics.  Some things pop up as shifts that you become aware of by watching the news.  I think wireless density and implementation is at a moment of change.

It started with companies like iBahn talking about the challenges of providing wireless in hotel and conference facilities.  There's a lot of talk on the Internet.  There's been a lot of frustration pushing a change.

Then this year the Superbowl announced their plans to provide wireless to 30,000 fans simultaneously.  There's a lot of down time in football and the stadiums want to make the most of it.  It was based on Cisco:  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/02/super-bowl-plans-to-handle-30000-wi-fi-users-at-once-and-sniff-out-rogue-devices/

Then I just read about the 49er's building a new stadium, with Enterasys, and a new way to think about wireless implementations, hiring some Kunal Malik from Facebook:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/the-49ers-plan-to-build-the-greatest-stadium-wi-fi-network-of-all-time/

I think our strategic planning for wireless networks on our entire campuses is going to need to think "Stadium" and I've challenged our team to think about it that way.  Not that we will get their any time soon, but it is the vision that we need to keep in mind.

Theresa




Message from dewittlatimer@gmail.com

The AD that I'm working with is at top tier FBS school. 

His goal is to capture the "eyes" of the spectators by creating a well-branded fan experience via their smart phones. To do so, he feels that the WiFi infrastructure must be an integral part of the venue (all venues) under their control. 

The business model stems by virtue of the captive, yet positive, fan experience. 

-d <gathering no moss>

Good points and in our discussions there were some restrictive aspects. For us AT&T was also demanding that we let them “bring value” to other parts of our network, if you know what I mean.

 

Value.

 

Bringin’ that big fat funky value.

 

See, now, I’m having flashbacks…

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of phanset
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:58 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Looking for large-scale stadium WiFi deployments

 

All,

 

If you decide to go the Provider (Verizon, AT&T, etc... ) way for your stadium or even your campus,

make sure that your contract doesn't restrict "other" SSIDs/networks/roaming consortiums too much.

If you want to support eduroam or other free public providers those contract might restrict

your ability to do so.

 

Think 802.11u that is now part of 802.11 and all the potential Roaming Consortiums that will exist in the coming years!

 

Just a heads up...

 

Philippe

 

Philippe Hanset

 

Message from dewittlatimer@gmail.com

Dear Colleagues:

If you have (or are in the process of) deploying WiFi to football stadiums greater than (say) 40K fans or arenas greater than (say) 15K, please shoot me a quick note back answering these simple questions.

School Name/Venue
AP vendor (Aruba, Cisco, etc)
Approximate ratio of spectators per AP 
Which (if any) design firm did the turn-key design/build.
Open access or authenticated
Approximate commodity bandwidth draining the venue
Do you have an RFP you can share?

I'm on a tight schedule, so a quick turn around is appreciated in advance. Respond to dewitt@montana.edu

Many Thanks,

Dewitt



---------------------------------------
Dewitt Latimer, Ph.D.
Chief Information Officer
Montana State University
********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

Hi Dewitt,

Unfortunately, we don't have any experience with a stadium that size but the following article will likely be, at least, interesting to you if not useful. 


Good luck!

Mickey

Mickey Belote
M 478-719-2955
Sent from my iPhone


Hi,
Interesting you brought this up.  I think we have to watch what is happening around us, in addition to benchmarks and trends developed from analytics.  Some things pop up as shifts that you become aware of by watching the news.  I think wireless density and implementation is at a moment of change.

It started with companies like iBahn talking about the challenges of providing wireless in hotel and conference facilities.  There's a lot of talk on the Internet.  There's been a lot of frustration pushing a change.

Then this year the Superbowl announced their plans to provide wireless to 30,000 fans simultaneously.  There's a lot of down time in football and the stadiums want to make the most of it.  It was based on Cisco:  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/02/super-bowl-plans-to-handle-30000-wi-fi-users-at-once-and-sniff-out-rogue-devices/

Then I just read about the 49er's building a new stadium, with Enterasys, and a new way to think about wireless implementations, hiring some Kunal Malik from Facebook:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/the-49ers-plan-to-build-the-greatest-stadium-wi-fi-network-of-all-time/

I think our strategic planning for wireless networks on our entire campuses is going to need to think "Stadium" and I've challenged our team to think about it that way.  Not that we will get their any time soon, but it is the vision that we need to keep in mind.

Theresa




Dewitt,

Gillette Stadium (The Patriots football stadium) recently just did this – there's an interesting video listing their challenges and the uniqueness of bringing such a system online at:



__________________________
Steve Swartz
Chief Information Officer
Fitchburg State University
978-665-4444

From: Dewitt Latimer <dewittlatimer@GMAIL.COM>
Reply-To: EDUCAUSE Listserv <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 5:31 PM
To: EDUCAUSE Listserv <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [CIO] Looking for large-scale stadium WiFi deployments

Dear Colleagues:

If you have (or are in the process of) deploying WiFi to football stadiums greater than (say) 40K fans or arenas greater than (say) 15K, please shoot me a quick note back answering these simple questions.

School Name/Venue
AP vendor (Aruba, Cisco, etc)
Approximate ratio of spectators per AP 
Which (if any) design firm did the turn-key design/build.
Open access or authenticated
Approximate commodity bandwidth draining the venue
Do you have an RFP you can share?

I'm on a tight schedule, so a quick turn around is appreciated in advance. Respond to dewitt@montana.edu

Many Thanks,

Dewitt



---------------------------------------
Dewitt Latimer, Ph.D.
Chief Information Officer
Montana State University
********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

I think that our folks have given up due to the cost and are trying to get AT&T and/or Verizon to provide this. These two companies have already installed a shared & jointly funded DAS system in our stadium which is working fairly well.

 

The University of Alabama

Bryant-Denny Stadium

Capacity: 101,821

 

-jcw                            

-------------------------------------
John Watters    UA: OIT  205-348-3992

 

We were approached by AT&T in what was one of the pushiest, strangest, heaviest-handed "sells" I've ever endured. I hope you fair better.

We did it in house (responded to Dewitt directly)

Lee H. Badman
Network Architect/Wireless TME
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003
Message from dewittlatimer@gmail.com

The AD that I'm working with is at top tier FBS school. 

His goal is to capture the "eyes" of the spectators by creating a well-branded fan experience via their smart phones. To do so, he feels that the WiFi infrastructure must be an integral part of the venue (all venues) under their control. 

The business model stems by virtue of the captive, yet positive, fan experience. 

-d <gathering no moss>

Message from dthibeau@post03.curry.edu

As a season ticket holder I can tell from first hand experience that the Gillette Stadium wi-fi is far from adequate.  Performance is horrible.  It’s most effective for draining your battery J.  In any case, I would not use their project as a “success” story.  Maybe it will improve over time.

 

Dennis Thibeault

CIO, Curry College

 

All,

If you decide to go the Provider (Verizon, AT&T, etc... ) way for your stadium or even your campus,
make sure that your contract doesn't restrict "other" SSIDs/networks/roaming consortiums too much.
If you want to support eduroam or other free public providers those contract might restrict
your ability to do so.

Think 802.11u that is now part of 802.11 and all the potential Roaming Consortiums that will exist in the coming years!

Just a heads up...

Philippe

Philippe Hanset


Good points and in our discussions there were some restrictive aspects. For us AT&T was also demanding that we let them “bring value” to other parts of our network, if you know what I mean.

 

Value.

 

Bringin’ that big fat funky value.

 

See, now, I’m having flashbacks…

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of phanset
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:58 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Looking for large-scale stadium WiFi deployments

 

All,

 

If you decide to go the Provider (Verizon, AT&T, etc... ) way for your stadium or even your campus,

make sure that your contract doesn't restrict "other" SSIDs/networks/roaming consortiums too much.

If you want to support eduroam or other free public providers those contract might restrict

your ability to do so.

 

Think 802.11u that is now part of 802.11 and all the potential Roaming Consortiums that will exist in the coming years!

 

Just a heads up...

 

Philippe

 

Philippe Hanset

 

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