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Any of you putting up new residence halls? And if so are you pulling coax for cable TV?

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Rob

 

Dr. Robert Paterson

Vice President – Information Technology, Planning and Research

Molloy College

Rockville Centre, NY

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Just a general question – why run coax today for cable TV in a residence hall when IP-TV is the dominant paradigm that is emerging and maintaining an additional wiring plant is that much more costly?   Is this still perceived as a need because of having to support existing content contracts with DirecTV, Comcast, TimeWarner or other?

Shel

Shelton Waggener
Senior Vice President, Internet2
6001 Shellmound Street, Suite 300
Emeryville, CA 94611
swaggener@internet2.edu
Office: 510-858-0880
Cell: 510-710-3360

Executive Assistant 
Elaine Alejo
ealejo@internet2.edu
510-858-0881


From: Robert Paterson <rpaterson@MOLLOY.EDU>
Reply-To: "CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:01 AM
To: "CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [CIO] New residence halls

Any of you putting up new residence halls? And if so are you pulling coax for cable TV?

Best,

Rob

 

Dr. Robert Paterson

Vice President – Information Technology, Planning and Research

Molloy College

Rockville Centre, NY

New Phone Numbers for Molloy College
Main number:   516-323-3000

Direct number:  516-323-4848

 

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Correct. To support existing service.

Rob

 

Dr. Robert Paterson

Vice President – Information Technology, Planning and Research

Molloy College

Rockville Centre, NY

New Phone Numbers for Molloy College
Main number:   516-323-3000

Direct number:  516-323-4848

 

Question for everyone, if you don't install Coax, is your Network Ready to support all the video traffic (wired and wireless).  Coax is very efficient, and costs a lot less for HD content distribution than IP distribution.  There is also not very many cable/satelite providers that can provide a "pure" IP solution to replace cable TV.  Cox is experimenting, but there still a ways off.  Not to mention, the cost of an IPTV solution, to replace your Cable TV plant.  

Darrell Lutey
Assistant Director, 702-895-0763
Office of Information Technology, UNLV
CBC B129 / Mail Stop 7040
http://oit.unlv.edu  |  Twitter@unlv_oit
IT Help Desk: 702-895-0777




From:        Shelton Waggener <swaggener@INTERNET2.EDU>
To:        CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date:        09/19/2013 11:05 AM
Subject:        Re: [CIO] New residence halls
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Just a general question – why run coax today for cable TV in a residence hall when IP-TV is the dominant paradigm that is emerging and maintaining an additional wiring plant is that much more costly?   Is this still perceived as a need because of having to support existing content contracts with DirecTV, Comcast, TimeWarner or other?

Shel

Shelton Waggener
Senior Vice President, Internet2
6001 Shellmound Street, Suite 300
Emeryville, CA 94611
swaggener@internet2.edu
Office: 510-858-0880
Cell: 510-710-3360

Executive Assistant
Elaine Alejo
ealejo@internet2.edu
510-858-0881


From: Robert Paterson <rpaterson@MOLLOY.EDU>
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Subject:
[CIO] New residence halls

Any of you putting up new residence halls? And if so are you pulling coax for cable TV?
Best,
Rob
 
Dr. Robert Paterson
Vice President – Information Technology, Planning and Research
Molloy College
Rockville Centre, NY
New Phone Numbers for Molloy College
Main number:   516-323-3000

Direct number:  516-323-4848
 

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Shel


From: Darrell Lutey <darrell.lutey@UNLV.EDU>
Reply-To: "CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:17 AM
To: "CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [CIO] New residence halls

Question for everyone, if you don't install Coax, is your Network Ready to support all the video traffic (wired and wireless).  Coax is very efficient, and costs a lot less for HD content distribution than IP distribution.  There is also not very many cable/satelite providers that can provide a "pure" IP solution to replace cable TV.  Cox is experimenting, but there still a ways off.  Not to mention, the cost of an IPTV solution, to replace your Cable TV plant.  

Darrell Lutey
Assistant Director, 702-895-0763
Office of Information Technology, UNLV
CBC B129 / Mail Stop 7040
http://oit.unlv.edu  |  Twitter@unlv_oit
IT Help Desk: 702-895-0777




From:        Shelton Waggener <swaggener@INTERNET2.EDU>
To:        CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date:        09/19/2013 11:05 AM
Subject:        Re: [CIO] New residence halls
Sent by:        The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>



Just a general question – why run coax today for cable TV in a residence hall when IP-TV is the dominant paradigm that is emerging and maintaining an additional wiring plant is that much more costly?   Is this still perceived as a need because of having to support existing content contracts with DirecTV, Comcast, TimeWarner or other?

Shel

Shelton Waggener
Senior Vice President, Internet2
6001 Shellmound Street, Suite 300
Emeryville, CA 94611
swaggener@internet2.edu
Office: 510-858-0880
Cell: 510-710-3360

Executive Assistant
Elaine Alejo
ealejo@internet2.edu
510-858-0881


From: Robert Paterson <rpaterson@MOLLOY.EDU>
Reply-To:
"CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date:
Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:01 AM
To:
"CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject:
[CIO] New residence halls

Any of you putting up new residence halls? And if so are you pulling coax for cable TV?
Best,
Rob
 
Dr. Robert Paterson
Vice President – Information Technology, Planning and Research
Molloy College
Rockville Centre, NY
New Phone Numbers for Molloy College
Main number:   516-323-3000

Direct number:  516-323-4848
 

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Bob,

 

            We are installing coax for cable TV, but we are not installing data network ports or telephone service. So network access is wireless only. The coax is primarily for cable TV, but they have the option of purchasing Internet and/or phone service from the cable provider (Cox) if they want/need it.

 

Mickey

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Michael R. Belote

Chief Technology Officer

Mercer University

O: 478-301-2850

M: 478-719-2955

http://IT.Mercer.edu

 

Bandwidth would be the issue if we utilized IPTV solutions instead of coax.  We utilize coax cable for that reason.  It also simplifies IT security and administration since IPTV would be yet another device running on the network.  

Hubert D. Harris, MBA, MSM, PMP
Associate Vice President and CIO
Virginia State University
PO Box 9090
Virginia State University, VA 23806
(804) 524-1085

At Maryville our Cable TV provider (Charter Communications) recently engineered a solution where we can provide High Definition (HDTV) to all locations on campus including all the residence halls using centralized equipment from a head end and no need for any type of set top boxes.  After a pilot project and much testing we implemented this solution just last month in time for start of semester.  We’ve had an overwhelmingly positive response from residential students.   We’re not planning to move away from coax cable, at least in the near future.  Cost to run isn’t all that much and we already have the campus infrastructure all in place and it’s paid for.

 

Rick Kubb

Director of Technology Services
Maryville University
314-529-9606

Gander Hall, Room 215

rkubb@maryville.edu

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brad Christ
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:24 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] New residence halls

 

Shel,

You raise a very interesting point. For us, what has been a stumbling block is getting local channels and regional sports networks that carry sports. We are hoping to see more on the NET+ service to understand if and  how it does this but this is also something for us that needs long-term planning. 

We see this ideally as something we offer in parallel so we need to be able to pilot this -- similar to the way that the ETEXT pilot allowed us to learn how to do the larger transition.

jack

Jack Suess             UMBC VP of IT & CIO
jack@umbc.edu     1000 Hilltop Circle
410.455.2582          Baltimore Md, 21250
Homepage:             http://bit.ly/fSB5ID



Darrell,

We are turning up a new set of dorms next school year.  We did run (and would again) coax for CATV.  We upgraded our system to HD this year and we found this infrastructure to be very cost effective.  All this while eliminating dorm phones and reducing wired data connections.

Rick

 

Rick Carlton | Assistant Director, Network Services | Information Technology | Vanderbilt University 
rick.carlton@vanderbilt.edu | phone 615.343.8698 | it.vanderbilt.edu

 

 

 

We are doing a renovation and decided to drop the phone connections, keep coax and add a an extra cat-6 cable for future use. There are many possible uses.

 

Jerry

 

Jerome F. Waldron, CIO
The College of New Jersey
609-771-3494

"Innovation starts with conversation"

Hi Shelton,

Conceptually, I agree with your thoughts on this, but we do not have access to the bandwidth of Internet2, and while commodity bandwidth has dropped, it is still a substantial expense for tuition driven colleges.

Regards,

Gary


Gary Hammon  
CIO
Newbury College
129 Fisher Ave
Brookline, MA 02445

Desk: 617 730-7135




Bandwidth is indeed a constraint here  - my sense is we are still early in this transition not just for higher education but for the larger public consumption as well.  Building out a new facility today in terms of cable plant anticipates need for high density wireless, I would have expected anticipation of high bandwidth IP based services beyond wireless as well so find the discussion helpful.

Thanks
Shel


From: Gary Hammon <gary.hammon@NEWBURY.EDU>
Reply-To: "CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:58 AM
To: "CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [CIO] New residence halls

Hi Shelton,

Conceptually, I agree with your thoughts on this, but we do not have access to the bandwidth of Internet2, and while commodity bandwidth has dropped, it is still a substantial expense for tuition driven colleges.

Regards,

Gary


Gary Hammon  
CIO
Newbury College
129 Fisher Ave
Brookline, MA 02445

Desk: 617 730-7135




You’re going to require all dorm residents to bring an IP capable TV? We had problems this year just getting all students to bring a TV that had  a QAM tuner. Some came with old CRT sets that were analog only. We just added capability to decrypt HD at the headend and no longer only send analog to dorms. Distribution between the headend and each complex is now fiber but still coax to each room. I think it will be many years before we consider removing coax.

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gary Hammon
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:59 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] New residence halls

 

Hi Shelton,

 

Conceptually, I agree with your thoughts on this, but we do not have access to the bandwidth of Internet2, and while commodity bandwidth has dropped, it is still a substantial expense for tuition driven colleges.

 

Regards,

 

Gary

 

 

Gary Hammon  
CIO
Newbury College
129 Fisher Ave
Brookline, MA 02445

Desk: 617 730-7135

 

 

Wait, I thought MOOCs were going to eliminate the need for residential campuses?

Just a little joke...
Patrick


From: Robert Paterson <rpaterson@MOLLOY.EDU>
Reply-To: "CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:01 AM
To: "CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [CIO] New residence halls

 

Any of you putting up new residence halls? And if so are you pulling coax for cable TV?

Best,

Rob

 

Dr. Robert Paterson

Vice President – Information Technology, Planning and Research

Molloy College

Rockville Centre, NY

New Phone Numbers for Molloy College
Main number:   516-323-3000

Direct number:  516-323-4848



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Dr. Robert Paterson

Vice President – Information Technology, Planning and Research

Molloy College

Rockville Centre, NY

New Phone Numbers for Molloy College
Main number:   516-323-3000

Direct number:  516-323-4848

 

Rob, we are building our first new residence hall in about 40 years, and yes we are pulling coax, primarily to allow our provider to retain better control on their product.

 

 

Joel E. Reeves

Assistant Vice Chancellor and Chief Information Officer

Office of Information Technology

2300 Kingston Pike

110 Kingston Pike Building

Knoxville, TN 37996-1711

(865) 974-2333 Office

(865) 974-1537 Direct

joel.reeves@utk.edu

 

 

 

 

 

Our res halls have a new building in progress, expected to open summer of 2014.  They decided to pull coax.  They want a consistent student experience and a consistent way to manage that experience, regardless of building. They just do not have a plan for what's next, and changing the old buildings turned out to be a lot more complicated than we originally thought.

Theresa


Thank you all for comments regarding plans for new residence halls. You’ve confirmed my position and will help us move forward.

 

Best,

Rob

 

Dr. Robert Paterson

Vice President – Information Technology, Planning and Research

Molloy College

Rockville Centre, NY

New Phone Numbers for Molloy College
Main number:   516-323-3000

Direct number:  516-323-4848

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Theresa Rowe
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:32 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] New residence halls

 

Our res halls have a new building in progress, expected to open summer of 2014.  They decided to pull coax.  They want a consistent student experience and a consistent way to manage that experience, regardless of building. They just do not have a plan for what's next, and changing the old buildings turned out to be a lot more complicated than we originally thought.

Theresa

 

We pulled coax, too. I am happy to have that traffic off our network.

I will share one interesting anecdote related to wifi: our three newest dorms have been a real challenge. Our working theory is that some of the LEED construction techniques are obstacles to wifi signals.  The last two of the three just came online, and so we only just now realized that we have a pattern. It is too soon to know if that is really what is going on, but I know I want to have this figured out before we design another building. We may need to partner with architects early in design.

Rick

Along the same lines but not a “real” WIFI issues was cell phone coverage in residence halls with super-efficient windows, to the point we had to add an antenna extender system so residents could get signals….  

 

Dr. Robert Paterson

Vice President – Information Technology, Planning and Research

Molloy College

Rockville Centre, NY

New Phone Numbers for Molloy College
Main number:   516-323-3000

Direct number:  516-323-4848

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Matthews, Rick
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:13 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] New residence halls

 

We pulled coax, too. I am happy to have that traffic off our network.

I will share one interesting anecdote related to wifi: our three newest dorms have been a real challenge. Our working theory is that some of the LEED construction techniques are obstacles to wifi signals.  The last two of the three just came online, and so we only just now realized that we have a pattern. It is too soon to know if that is really what is going on, but I know I want to have this figured out before we design another building. We may need to partner with architects early in design.

Rick


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This conversation reminds me of the same conversation we had about phones in student rooms five years ago. The question then was whether we still needed to provide phones or if we could rely on cell phones. Turned out we could turn off the phones in Res Halls and few noticed. 

We have been doing some (unscientific) polling of students and are finding that many no longer have TVs in their rooms. If they do they aren't watching them. They are, however, watching plenty of TV shows and movies--on Netflix, HBO to go, sling boxes, Hulu, Amazon, ... Just not off cable. If it wasn't for sports, we could discontinue cable service and most students wouldn't notice. My guess is that a majority wouldn't miss cable if we pulled it now.  We aren't dropping cable service (yet). We are investing in more bandwidth, higher capacity on-campus networks, and QoS. The entertainment industry is still working out licensing issues, but they are getting it done (slowly). My guess is that within a few years, students won't care whether we have cable. They will care whether they can stream whatever they want wherever they want on whichever service they happen to choose. We won't be paying for cable services (if we avoid long-term contracts), but we won't be saving any money. 

Best,

Rick


We just had a presentation from a Distributed Antenna System (DAS) vendor who told us that LEED construction is definitely an issue with indoor cell reception. The reflective materials in the glass that keeps heat out also keeps cell signals out. We have no way to verify that vendors claim as our dorms were not constructed under LEED standards when they were built. We are looking at updating windows in one dorm that may make this an issue we need to consider.

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Matthews, Rick
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:13 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] New residence halls

 

We pulled coax, too. I am happy to have that traffic off our network.

I will share one interesting anecdote related to wifi: our three newest dorms have been a real challenge. Our working theory is that some of the LEED construction techniques are obstacles to wifi signals.  The last two of the three just came online, and so we only just now realized that we have a pattern. It is too soon to know if that is really what is going on, but I know I want to have this figured out before we design another building. We may need to partner with architects early in design.

Rick


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Wake Forest University

htp://users.wfu.edu/matthews

 

Mike,

We have confirmed that new LEED construction, especially the glass, blocks cell signals.  Many of our buildings now have DAS supporting emergency radio and all of the major cell vendors.

Kirk

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Associate Vice President and CIO

Office of Information Technology
Portland State University
2121 SW 4th Ave 
Portland, OR 97207

kkelly@pdx.edu
503-725-6246


Thanks for adding the cell phone info. We are seeing problems in the energy efficient buildings, too.

Rick
Mike and Rick,

Your sources are correct - the windows are an effective block to cell and wifi signals.  We are geeting more and more requests to assist with DAS because of it.

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