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All of our classrooms are currently outfitted with the above equipment in addition to hookup for a laptop.  Some have suggested simplifying our classroom setup by just using an apple tv and ipads.  For some faculty, I’m sure this would indeed be a simplification and improvement, but for the digital have-nots and for our support team it seems it would be a larger burden.  Someone has to convert the DVD/VHS/paper documents to digital format and make those accessible on an ipad.  I don’t see the faculty doing that, and I don’t see us with the necessary labor to do it for them.

 

What have other institutions done in the classroom?  Have any of you gotten rid of DVDs and doc cams?

 

On a related note, does anyone know of a service that will provide licensed clips from movies (yes, I’ve heard of youtube!)?

 

Thanks

 

Richard Hiers
Director of IT Services
Covenant Theological Seminary
314.392.4111, option 4

 

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We have removed players and said we do not support VHS at all anymore. We have no current plans to take out DVD players. We have found that users understand how to use a DVD player, but at times struggle to play a DVD from the PC DVD drive. I think you might run into some copyright protection issues if you try and change all your DVDs to a video disk to play on the iPad. We could never replace a podium PC with a tablet. We use way too much software that only runs on Windows to consider doing that. We also can’t dictate to faculty what brand of tablet they can use to have to support iPad, Android and Surface tablets in all classrooms. I think if you have an Apple TV in a classroom, anyone with an iPad (this includes students) who is on the same network as the Apple TV can connect to the Apple TV and display their screen. That can be good in some cases and a disaster in others. It is 10 times the cost but we are looking at the Crestron AirMedia system as a way to securely support tablets in the classroom. And for us the tablet would stay with the faculty member since that is where the apps they want to use in the classroom exist, and not put a tablet in the classroom as a permanent device.   Never really consider using a tablet to replace the document camera. Do they make a mount for a tablet so it works as a document camera?

 

 

Mike Cunningham

VP of Information Technology Services/CIO

Pennsylvania College of Technology

 

 

 

The same conversations take place at our institution. As a general rule we try not to take things out just to take them out. If a device fails we may discuss with faculty if it needs to be replaced. But that happens very infrequently; and there is enough spare stuff to back fill anyway. 
It's more of a issue for new classrooms - whether they should look just like ones before or be configured with different gear. Or whether the old gear would limit or confound the configuration of the new classroom. So far incorporating newer technologies such as smart boards, tablets for control, and smart TVs haven't limited us from continuing with older tools.
I think of it as not moving their cheese.

Bill Betlej
Mary Baldwin College



(Mount for an iPad to replace a document camera. Called a Justand.)

RG




Sent from my iPad

Rob... that's pretty cool!

Bill Betlej


Version 2 is even slicker: http://ipaddocumentcamera.com/collections/catalog

 

RG

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Betlej
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:45 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom

 

Rob... that's pretty cool!

 

Bill Betlej

 

There are lots of implications for removing previously used media devices from the classrooms.  If you're planning on doing so, you need to have discusssions with your faculty, and especially your librarians.  Most libraries have a vast collection of VHS tapes that faculty use, that often there is no replacement media, and copyright makes it illegal to move to another format.  Our document are our second most used device, 1st being the computer in the classroom.  Faculty will hang us if we removed either.

Darrell Lutey
Assistant Director, 702-895-0763
Office of Information Technology, UNLV
CBC B129 / Mail Stop 7040
http://oit.unlv.edu  |  Twitter@unlv_oit
IT Help Desk: 702-895-0777




From:        Rob Gibson <rgibson1@EMPORIA.EDU>
To:        CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date:        11/06/2013 08:16 AM
Subject:        Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom
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See: http://www.procomputingproducts.com/?page_id=582

(Mount for an iPad to replace a document camera. Called a Justand.)

RG




Sent from my iPad

I feel your pain, Darrell, but aren't those same faculty complaining about coming into a classroom and finding that the computer there has been left hosed up by the last instructor?  And there's no time to fix it before class begins?  This was our experience, and it was a big part of our move to take computers out of classrooms some years ago.  Instead, we encourage faculty to switch to laptops, which they can carry into the classroom and connect to the data projector. 

Cordially,
David

_________________________________________________________________________
David W. Sisk, PhD   Associate Director for Administration, Information Technology Services
Macalester College      /      1600 Grand Avenue      /       Saint Paul, Minnesota  55105-1899
http://its-notices-alerts.blogspot.com/                  Voice (651) 696-6745,  FAX (651) 696-6778


We manage our PC's in the classroom with software that doesn't allow faculty to "hose" them up.  Having the PC's in the clasroom is a saving grace, as opposed to having to support all the various brands of laptops out there.

Darrell Lutey
Assistant Director, 702-895-0763
Office of Information Technology, UNLV
CBC B129 / Mail Stop 7040
http://oit.unlv.edu  |  Twitter@unlv_oit
IT Help Desk: 702-895-0777




From:        David Sisk <sisk@MACALESTER.EDU>
To:        CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date:        11/06/2013 08:58 AM
Subject:        Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom
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I feel your pain, Darrell, but aren't those same faculty complaining about coming into a classroom and finding that the computer there has been left hosed up by the last instructor?  And there's no time to fix it before class begins?  This was our experience, and it was a big part of our move to take computers out of classrooms some years ago.  Instead, we encourage faculty to switch to laptops, which they can carry into the classroom and connect to the data projector. 

Cordially,
David

_________________________________________________________________________
David W. Sisk, PhD   Associate Director for Administration, Information Technology Services
Macalester College      /      1600 Grand Avenue      /       Saint Paul, Minnesota  55105-1899
http://its-notices-alerts.blogspot.com/                  Voice (651) 696-6745,  FAX (651) 696-6778


Thanks. That is interesting. In our classrooms rooms that are left open and unused half of the day that iPad would disappear quickly unless it could be locked down

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rob Gibson
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:16 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom

 

 

(Mount for an iPad to replace a document camera. Called a Justand.)

 

RG

 

 



Sent from my iPad


We did a multi-year campaign of awareness, with the library, and offer of assistance to find replacements for the VHS tapes or convert them to other media if we could get permission to do that. Even after that the deadline was extended another year so it was a total of three years to become VHS free.

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Darrell Lutey
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:48 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom

 

There are lots of implications for removing previously used media devices from the classrooms.  If you're planning on doing so, you need to have discusssions with your faculty, and especially your librarians.  Most libraries have a vast collection of VHS tapes that faculty use, that often there is no replacement media, and copyright makes it illegal to move to another format.  Our document are our second most used device, 1st being the computer in the classroom.  Faculty will hang us if we removed either.

Darrell Lutey
Assistant Director, 702-895-0763
Office of Information Technology, UNLV
CBC B129 / Mail Stop 7040
http://oit.unlv.edu  |  Twitter@unlv_oit
IT Help Desk: 702-895-0777




From:        Rob Gibson <rgibson1@EMPORIA.EDU>
To:        CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date:        11/06/2013 08:16 AM
Subject:        Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom
Sent by:        The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>




See: http://www.procomputingproducts.com/?page_id=582

(Mount for an iPad to replace a document camera. Called a Justand.)

RG




Sent from my iPad

This past summer we updated all of our classrooms to include a wireless projector, audio, and fixed desktop PC on a wall mount.  The PC has a base standard image installed and we do not install any specialty software on them.  In addition, the faculty were give a menu of devices to choose from for their office and personal use.  It is interesting to note that they did not ask for iPads.  Rather, they wanted a small tablet size device that would run their standard software, ie. MS Office and that IT could manage using the existing tools and processes.  (We do not have any Apple devices on campus)   Most faculty chose a laptop, but some still asked for desktops and about 10% of them are part of a pilot to try the Dell Latitude 10 tablet/laptop with Windows 8.  This devices provides the mobility that they want in the classroom with the wireless projectors and also runs Office.  The downside is that it’s not as powerful as the desktops and laptops so it’s not suited for everyone.  It’s also worth noting that while faculty did not ask for the University to offer iPads, some of them have personal iPads which they use in the classroom.

 

 

Regards,

 

Michelle Dunn

CIO

Trine University

One University Avenue

Angola, IN 46703

260-665-4421

 For more information:  www.trine.edu

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From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Cunningham
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 8:11 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom

 

Thanks. That is interesting. In our classrooms rooms that are left open and unused half of the day that iPad would disappear quickly unless it could be locked down

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rob Gibson
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:16 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom

 

 

(Mount for an iPad to replace a document camera. Called a Justand.)

 

RG

 

 



Sent from my iPad


Michelle, what brand/model of wireless projector did you go with? We have tried some of those and found that video over wireless did not work. I keep hoping some new model will fix that and that tablets can pick a standard and we can connect wireless from any brand of laptop or tablet or desktop to the projector and also allow students to connect under the control of the instructor in the room

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dunn, Michelle
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 8:29 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom

 

This past summer we updated all of our classrooms to include a wireless projector, audio, and fixed desktop PC on a wall mount.  The PC has a base standard image installed and we do not install any specialty software on them.  In addition, the faculty were give a menu of devices to choose from for their office and personal use.  It is interesting to note that they did not ask for iPads.  Rather, they wanted a small tablet size device that would run their standard software, ie. MS Office and that IT could manage using the existing tools and processes.  (We do not have any Apple devices on campus)   Most faculty chose a laptop, but some still asked for desktops and about 10% of them are part of a pilot to try the Dell Latitude 10 tablet/laptop with Windows 8.  This devices provides the mobility that they want in the classroom with the wireless projectors and also runs Office.  The downside is that it’s not as powerful as the desktops and laptops so it’s not suited for everyone.  It’s also worth noting that while faculty did not ask for the University to offer iPads, some of them have personal iPads which they use in the classroom.

 

 

Regards,

 

Michelle Dunn

CIO

Trine University

One University Avenue

Angola, IN 46703

260-665-4421

 For more information:  www.trine.edu

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail communication may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that disclosing, retaining, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply email and delete the original message and any attachments.

 

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Cunningham
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 8:11 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom

 

Thanks. That is interesting. In our classrooms rooms that are left open and unused half of the day that iPad would disappear quickly unless it could be locked down

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rob Gibson
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:16 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] Replacing DVD/VHS & Doccam in the classroom

 

 

(Mount for an iPad to replace a document camera. Called a Justand.)

 

RG

 

 



Sent from my iPad


Thank you all for your responses on this topic.  It’s helpful to hear of your experiences, particularly removing what you would think of as an antiquated technology (VHS). 

 

I haven’t had much experience with apple tv, but it did occur to me that it would be ripe for practical jokes since anyone with an iDevice could connect to it.

 

Thanks again

Richard

 

Actually, Apple has a mode on the Apple TV that displays a random code on the screen that you have to enter before connecting to it… and the person connecting has to disconnect before someone else can take over.  If you have one, look under the AirPlay settings for “Onscreen Code”.  It works well in the classroom.

-Steve


That’s good to know.  Thanks.

 

Looking over the responses there's no simple answer here and it largely seems to be dependent on institutional culture and faculty needs. We once thought we would need doccams in every classroom but it turns out that only a few faculty find them essential (so the cams get moved around at the beginning of the semester). However, we do provide free scanning for faculty so most have what they use in digital format. VHS is another story - we vow every year to end their use but run into the issue of older tapes that were never redone as DVD's. 


-e 


Emory Craig
Director of eLearning and Instructional Technologies
The College of New Rochelle


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