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I’ll agree that I don’t see a customer advantage at all in this merger.  Higher costs most assuredly will present, and maintenance costs are already high.  I also agree with Greg that these two platforms are very different and I just don’t see how they complement each other.   Entrepreneurs are already offering cloud-based ‘subscription’ plans, which is where I see the future.  The major systems currently in place require enormous upfront costs, long implementation periods, substantial technical support in place, and substantial maintenance costs.  I just don’t see how that model is sustainable.

 

Course, my crystal ball is pretty cloudy . . .

 

 

Bruce W. Vieweg

Associate Provost

Chief Information Officer

Interim Dean of Students

Concordia College

901 8th Street South

Moorhead, MN  56562

218-299-4737

 

The purpose of Concordia College is to influence the affairs of the world by sending
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From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:07 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] SGHE and Datatel Merger

 

Our experience presented an end of life for our ERP so the alienation came from how Sungard assumed we would accept the path that they decided for us without a lot of value compensation for our existing software. This merger is different though. I don’t see a clear path for consolidation so I don’t see this new company trying to steer the Datatel or Banner customers anywhere. There is an opportunity to sell some of their bolt-on solutions to each other. But I would be worried that maintenance costs are not going down.

When they mention efficiencies of the merger, that is a bit baffling. Banner and Datatel are built on totally different platforms and they are very complicated. How do they share the important developer resources that are needed for re-engineering of the core product. How do they sell against each other? Hellman & Friedman are just trying to make money and I don’t see any option for Datatel or Banner to become more valuable so that probably means they need to make as much as they can off the existing customer base.

When we selected PeopleSoft, part of our reasoning was to never have to deal with our ERP vendor being involved in these kind of ownership games.

Greg Smith
Chief Information Officer
George Fox University
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Be Known at Oregon's Nationally Recognized Christian University

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The two platforms are very different, thus a consolidation down the road is highly unlikely.  If anything, the next generation platform will come from the merger that will emphasize SaaS/Cloud, thus possibly phasing out both Banner and Colleague (I may be full-time at the golf course by then, however).  And where does the Enrollment Management Suite (marketed to extend the value of Banner) fit into this picture?  New sales will also be much different since this new company will be “eating its own” if existing Banner or Colleague schools were looking to move to the other platform.  How many schools out there were at or near the end of the sales cycle, were considering moving from Datatel to Sungard or vice versa, and have now had to take a step back and analyze the new environment?  Most likely both camps will be protecting their client lists to ensure no attrition thus maintaining the internal power base.  Any slippage and possibly the other platform will become the flagship (see Jenzabar, to their credit they eventually worked that out). 

 

I’m in agreement that this model cannot be sustained and if anything, costs will go up.  We are also a small school with less than 4,000 FTE.  The Banner and Oracle up front and maintenance costs have been and continue to be a huge drain on our budget, not to mention consulting costs.  We have Oracle visiting soon for a discussion on expanding licensing, but this “merger” has given me two thoughts, 1) leveraging Oracle because I’ve already heard from Sungard that there are soon going to be other database options, 2) how much more can the school invest in this before it is just not economically feasible?

 

We are taking a long look at Kuali as well, and in the future when functional gaps are identified we will first look to Kuali as a possible answer.  We also have best-of-breed solutions in HR and Alumni Relations/Development.  If we can integrate some parts of Kuali into the mix, possibly that will be the link to eventually phasing out Banner/and or the best-of-breed solutions and moving completely to Kuali.  It’s certainly worth exploring.  I look forward to the discussion at Educause.

 

Les Vaughan
Associate Vice President Information Technology
Wentworth Institute of Technology
550 Huntington Ave
Boston, MA 02115

617-989-4510 desk
617-279-5106 mobile

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Vieweg
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:23 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] SGHE and Datatel Merger

 

I’ll agree that I don’t see a customer advantage at all in this merger.  Higher costs most assuredly will present, and maintenance costs are already high.  I also agree with Greg that these two platforms are very different and I just don’t see how they complement each other.   Entrepreneurs are already offering cloud-based ‘subscription’ plans, which is where I see the future.  The major systems currently in place require enormous upfront costs, long implementation periods, substantial technical support in place, and substantial maintenance costs.  I just don’t see how that model is sustainable.

 

Course, my crystal ball is pretty cloudy . . .

 

 

Bruce W. Vieweg

Associate Provost

Chief Information Officer

Interim Dean of Students

Concordia College

901 8th Street South

Moorhead, MN  56562

218-299-4737

 

The purpose of Concordia College is to influence the affairs of the world by sending
into society thoughtful and informed men and women dedicated to the Christian life.

 

Please remember: ITS will NEVER ask for your log-in information.  The only exception is NEVER.  If you do receive such a request in an e-mail, bring it to my attention immediately.

 

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:07 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] SGHE and Datatel Merger

 

Our experience presented an end of life for our ERP so the alienation came from how Sungard assumed we would accept the path that they decided for us without a lot of value compensation for our existing software. This merger is different though. I don’t see a clear path for consolidation so I don’t see this new company trying to steer the Datatel or Banner customers anywhere. There is an opportunity to sell some of their bolt-on solutions to each other. But I would be worried that maintenance costs are not going down.

When they mention efficiencies of the merger, that is a bit baffling. Banner and Datatel are built on totally different platforms and they are very complicated. How do they share the important developer resources that are needed for re-engineering of the core product. How do they sell against each other? Hellman & Friedman are just trying to make money and I don’t see any option for Datatel or Banner to become more valuable so that probably means they need to make as much as they can off the existing customer base.

When we selected PeopleSoft, part of our reasoning was to never have to deal with our ERP vendor being involved in these kind of ownership games.

Greg Smith
Chief Information Officer
George Fox University
------------------------------
Be Known at Oregon's Nationally Recognized Christian University

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