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Happy New Year everyone:

 

A longtime request by our students, we are looking into ways of providing “lifetime” email to Alumni. One of our main concerns with lifetime e-mail is with IT having to maintain the student account in AD for “life” – including password resets.  Currently, student e-mail is hosted with Live@edu and we would most likely host it there (subdomain – alumni.lasell.edu).   Wanted to see if anyone at a school similarly sized to ours (~1800 students) has had any success stories (or horror stories) with alumni e-mail for life and how you go about doing it.

 

Cheers,

Mark Gelaides

Associate Director of Network and Systems
Network and Systems Group
Lasell College
1844 Commonwealth Avenue
Newton, MA 02466
(P)617-243-2076

(C)857-294-0688

 

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We are just looking at something similar (with Google). At the same time, we're looking at trying to dramatically improve the automation and self-service of our provisioning and our password resets. Do you have tools or processes you love?

Thanks,

Ethan


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Vice President for IT & 
Chief Information Officer
503.699.6325   

MARYLHURST UNIVERSITY
You. Unlimited.


We’re doing it. Skidmore has about 2,700 students.

 

We don’t call it “for life” but rather we tell users that they will keep their mailbox as long as we have a contract with Microsoft. If that ends, we don’t know what the next possibility will be so why promise?

 

It’s working well except users can maintain their passwords at Microsoft, leaving us out of the picture (we no longer sync once they move to alumni.skidmore.edu), but it’s not clear how that’s done at Outlook Live. The requests are so few that I take care of it manually as one of the administrators and it’s little bother.

 

One of the good things is that they keep their college mail. We use PowerShell to change the domain and no mail is lost. We used to delete their mailbox and then forward for life to a 3rd party email account. This is much better.

 

Brien G. Muller

IT Help Desk Manager | Skidmore College

(518) 580-5931

Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SkidmoreITHelp

 

 

MassArt is about to roll this out as part of our migration to Google Apps.  We've created a dedicated subdomain (alumni.massart.edu) to which students will move upon graduation--but they get to keep all of their existing email and contacts.  We use google's internal authentication and we sync LDAP information (including passwords) for the primary domain but not for the subdomain -- that way we don't need to keep alums in our campus LDAP systems indefinitely.  At some point, if we decide to deploy non-google services for alums that require authentication, we've discussed the idea of using google's authentication API  as the primary authentication for the alumni community.

Eric


Eric,
How are you handling directory management for the subdomain? We have such a limited deployment (same type - alumni.menlo.edu as a sub) that we're handling accounts manually.  But obviously that's not a long term solution.  

I'm still getting the hang of Google Apps in a lot of ways so bear with me if that's a stupid question.

thanks,
allan


Hi Mark,


We have a Google subdomain, alumni.augsburg.edu, that houses Alumni accounts.  We have a tool that graduating students can use that migrates their mail over to an alumni account.  We offer no support for those accounts and our Alumni office handles any password resets with those accounts.  It's all Google internal authentication.  We see the account mainly as a way for students to take all their mail with them when they leave.  Many of the accounts are not used.


-- Scott




Scott Krajewski             
Director, IT Services           
Augsburg College    
http://inside.augsburg.edu/it
The Link: IT Newsletter
http://augnet.augsburg.edu/thelink



>>> On 1/7/2013 at 03:31 PM, "Gelaides, Mark" <mgelaides@LASELL.EDU> wrote:

Happy New Year everyone:

 

A longtime request by our students, we are looking into ways of providing “lifetime” email to Alumni. One of our main concerns with lifetime e-mail is with IT having to maintain the student account in AD for “life” – including password resets.  Currently, student e-mail is hosted with Live@edu and we would most likely host it there (subdomain – alumni.lasell.edu).   Wanted to see if anyone at a school similarly sized to ours (~1800 students) has had any success stories (or horror stories) with alumni e-mail for life and how you go about doing it.

 

Cheers,

Mark Gelaides

Associate Director of Network and Systems
Network and Systems Group
Lasell College
1844 Commonwealth Avenue
Newton, MA 02466
(P)617-243-2076

(C)857-294-0688

 

Thanks - what tool are you using to migrate their e-mail?  

allan


I've created metrics a couple of times in attempts to stop the service. The rate of use is VERY low. Those that use it use it infrequently (and typically only to "just make sure no one sent anything to this address"). This infrequent use has a bad side effect--nearly every use requires a password reset.

I think the operative questions are, "What is the need for lifetime email?" and "Who is driving it?"

I've seen two user-driven reasons for the service. When Facebook was young and required an EDU address we had people begging for addresses. That's no longer an issue. No matter how hard we tried to communicate the issue we've had quite a few people express surprise when their account went away after they graduated. (We have the same problem with employees.) They get caught with a few outstanding resumes with bad contact info.

IMHO, the big driver is a well meaning Alumni office. There are plenty of "community building" companies out there that try to sell portal systems that are supposed to increase engagement and, as a theoretical byproduct, giving. Email for life is part of the equation. It's supposed to add stickiness. "Look! We just sent a million emails to our alumni and only had 0.1% bounce!! Wow, we have an accurate database! I wonder why that email campaign generated so few responses..." 

If you want to get rid of the service just involve your legal counsel and tell them that people are running for-profit businesses and kiddie porn rings under the school's moniker. You think they aren't? 


           
Rand
 
Rand P. Hall
Director, Network Services                 askIT!
Merrimack College
978-837-3532

If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 59 minutes defining the problem and one minute finding solutions. – Einstein


I’m curious to get opinions on for those colleges running e-mail for alumni do you ever run into any extra e-mail phishing or malware problems beyond your regular staff / student e-mail accounts?

 

I would like to think that if you offload things to Gmail that Google would handle most of that for you but just curious since we are looking at making some changes to our Exchange services in the coming months.

 

-Aaron

 

Warner Pacific College

Network Engineer

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Small College Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SMALLCOL@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hall, Rand
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:44 AM
To: SMALLCOL@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [SMALLCOL] Lifetime e-mail for alumni

 

I've created metrics a couple of times in attempts to stop the service. The rate of use is VERY low. Those that use it use it infrequently (and typically only to "just make sure no one sent anything to this address"). This infrequent use has a bad side effect--nearly every use requires a password reset.

 

I think the operative questions are, "What is the need for lifetime email?" and "Who is driving it?"

 

I've seen two user-driven reasons for the service. When Facebook was young and required an EDU address we had people begging for addresses. That's no longer an issue. No matter how hard we tried to communicate the issue we've had quite a few people express surprise when their account went away after they graduated. (We have the same problem with employees.) They get caught with a few outstanding resumes with bad contact info.

 

IMHO, the big driver is a well meaning Alumni office. There are plenty of "community building" companies out there that try to sell portal systems that are supposed to increase engagement and, as a theoretical byproduct, giving. Email for life is part of the equation. It's supposed to add stickiness. "Look! We just sent a million emails to our alumni and only had 0.1% bounce!! Wow, we have an accurate database! I wonder why that email campaign generated so few responses..." 

 

If you want to get rid of the service just involve your legal counsel and tell them that people are running for-profit businesses and kiddie porn rings under the school's moniker. You think they aren't? 

 


           

Rand

 

Rand P. Hall

Director, Network Services                 askIT!

Merrimack College

978-837-3532

 

If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 59 minutes defining the problem and one minute finding solutions. – Einstein

 

Message from swendel@tamhsc.edu

The Development office is definitely the driver, users not so much.  One of our Colleges had around 900 accounts until recently.  We could only show about 20-30 of them having been used in the last year. 

 

Thanks to this data the Development office has since invested in Raiser’s Edge Netcommunity hosted service, and we provide the alumni subdomain as a forwarding address only. Students are informed of Netcommunity of as part of the account deprovisioning process after graduation.

 

-Shane

 

_______________________________

 

Shane Wendel

Chief Systems Engineer

SRPH Building A, Suite 360

College Station, TX 77843

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Small College Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SMALLCOL@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hall, Rand
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:44 AM
To: SMALLCOL@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [SMALLCOL] Lifetime e-mail for alumni

 

I've created metrics a couple of times in attempts to stop the service. The rate of use is VERY low. Those that use it use it infrequently (and typically only to "just make sure no one sent anything to this address"). This infrequent use has a bad side effect--nearly every use requires a password reset.

 

I think the operative questions are, "What is the need for lifetime email?" and "Who is driving it?"

 

I've seen two user-driven reasons for the service. When Facebook was young and required an EDU address we had people begging for addresses. That's no longer an issue. No matter how hard we tried to communicate the issue we've had quite a few people express surprise when their account went away after they graduated. (We have the same problem with employees.) They get caught with a few outstanding resumes with bad contact info.

 

IMHO, the big driver is a well meaning Alumni office. There are plenty of "community building" companies out there that try to sell portal systems that are supposed to increase engagement and, as a theoretical byproduct, giving. Email for life is part of the equation. It's supposed to add stickiness. "Look! We just sent a million emails to our alumni and only had 0.1% bounce!! Wow, we have an accurate database! I wonder why that email campaign generated so few responses..." 

 

If you want to get rid of the service just involve your legal counsel and tell them that people are running for-profit businesses and kiddie porn rings under the school's moniker. You think they aren't? 

 


           

Rand

 

Rand P. Hall

Director, Network Services                 askIT!

Merrimack College

978-837-3532

 

If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 59 minutes defining the problem and one minute finding solutions. – Einstein

 

We built something in-house using the Google API.  Our student email is unix maildir so it makes moving the mail over a little easier than straight IMAP (from what I remember from our sysadmin who worked on it).


-- Scott



Scott Krajewski             
Director, IT Services           
Augsburg College    
http://inside.augsburg.edu/it
The Link: IT Newsletter
http://augnet.augsburg.edu/thelink



>>> On 1/8/2013 at 02:01 PM, Allan Chen <achen@MENLO.EDU> wrote:

Thanks - what tool are you using to migrate their e-mail?


allan



Message from jcoehoorn@york.edu

What I've found personally when exploring this in the past is that interest **from students** always drops off when we want to move them to a sub-domain. It seems that what students really want -- the value for them -- is to keep their existing e-mail address. It's not even necessarily all their old messages... they just don't want to have to get all their friends and contacts to learn a new address. Moving them to a sub-domain still "breaks" the old account for them.


Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
York College, Nebraska
402.363.5603
jcoehoorn@york.edu

 

The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society



Our students get a new address username @ alumni.skidmore.edu but the old username @ skidmore.edu still delivers to their mailbox. Only the former may be used to log in.

 

There is no need to advise correspondents of the new address. The biggest challenge is getting the alums to begin to login with the new, longer address.

 

Brien G. Muller

IT Help Desk Manager | Skidmore College

(518) 580-5931

Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SkidmoreITHelp

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Small College Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SMALLCOL@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:00 PM
To: SMALLCOL@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [SMALLCOL] Lifetime e-mail for alumni

 

What I've found personally when exploring this in the past is that interest **from students** always drops off when we want to move them to a sub-domain. It seems that what students really want -- the value for them -- is to keep their existing e-mail address. It's not even necessarily all their old messages... they just don't want to have to get all their friends and contacts to learn a new address. Moving them to a sub-domain still "breaks" the old account for them.


 

Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
York College, Nebraska
402.363.5603
jcoehoorn@york.edu

 

The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society

 

Rand,

Funny you mention Facebook, as a Merrimack ’02 alum, I can distinctly remember checking to see if my MC email was still active when Facebook was introduced!

Thank you all for your input.  The primary driver behind this was requests by students and from the Alumni office.  The project itself has been put on the backburner many times by IT but it continually appears at the top of the wish list of our student community.  Password resets are a big sticking point for us – we currently have controls in place for identity verification when a user request a password reset.  All of that goes out the window once the student graduates.

Interestingly enough however, students actually prefer the subdomain address (alumni.lasell.edu) to their student email (.lasell.edu).   

 

Mark

 

 

______________________________________________

I've created metrics a couple of times in attempts to stop the service. The rate of use is VERY low. Those that use it use it infrequently (and typically only to "just make sure no one sent anything to this address"). This infrequent use has a bad side effect--nearly every use requires a password reset.

 

I think the operative questions are, "What is the need for lifetime email?" and "Who is driving it?"

 

I've seen two user-driven reasons for the service. When Facebook was young and required an EDU address we had people begging for addresses. That's no longer an issue. No matter how hard we tried to communicate the issue we've had quite a few people express surprise when their account went away after they graduated. (We have the same problem with employees.) They get caught with a few outstanding resumes with bad contact info.

 

IMHO, the big driver is a well meaning Alumni office. There are plenty of "community building" companies out there that try to sell portal systems that are supposed to increase engagement and, as a theoretical byproduct, giving. Email for life is part of the equation. It's supposed to add stickiness. "Look! We just sent a million emails to our alumni and only had 0.1% bounce!! Wow, we have an accurate database! I wonder why that email campaign generated so few responses..." 

 

If you want to get rid of the service just involve your legal counsel and tell them that people are running for-profit businesses and kiddie porn rings under the school's moniker. You think they aren't? 

 


           

Rand

 

Rand P. Hall

Director, Network Services                 askIT!

Merrimack College

978-837-3532

rand.hall@merrimack.edu

 

If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 59 minutes defining the problem and one minute finding solutions. – Einstein

 

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

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