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Hi all,

 

We are contemplating what it would take to replace our homegrown IdM system at some point in the, hopefully, very near future.  If anyone has done a similar project or exercise in the last couple of years and feels they can share their requirements list, bid specifications, or RFP document, I’d be most appreciative.  If you like, send it to me off-list and it will be held in strict confidence. 

 

Thanks!

 

John B

 

John Borne

Chief IT Security & Policy Officer

Information Technology Services

Louisiana State University

200 Frey Computing Ctr

Baton Rouge, LA 70803

 

(225) 578-3724

jcb at lsu.edu

 

 

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Hi John, Penn State has taken this on in a big way....a bit daunting. ;) Please feel free to contact me directly. I'd also encourage you to follow the CIFER activity. An open source IdM suite for higher education is a great option. Renee
Message from brian.bernier@bc.edu

John,

Boston College is in the middle of a multi-year project to modernize our homegrown IAM system.  I would be happy to share details on our experience as well.

Brian


Director, Architecture and Integration Services
Information Technology Services
Boston College


From: John C Borne <jcb@LSU.EDU>
Reply-To: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:07 AM
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Hi all,

 

We are contemplating what it would take to replace our homegrown IdM system at some point in the, hopefully, very near future.  If anyone has done a similar project or exercise in the last couple of years and feels they can share their requirements list, bid specifications, or RFP document, I’d be most appreciative.  If you like, send it to me off-list and it will be held in strict confidence. 

 

Thanks!

 

John B

 

John Borne

Chief IT Security & Policy Officer

Information Technology Services

Louisiana State University

200 Frey Computing Ctr

Baton Rouge, LA 70803

 

(225) 578-3724

jcb at lsu.edu

 

 

UC Berkeley and UCSF are in the middle of such a project.  We are about to present our technology/project roadmap for review and approval.  I would be happy to share with you.

Renee mentioned the CIFER project - Community Identity Framework for Education and Research.  We are hoping to build out new IAM components as part of this higher ed-wide effort so that we don't build yet another "homegrown" solution that only we support.  

I encourage you to take a look at:


At UCB/UCSF, our plan is to build a modular, loosely-coupled IAM system that includes existing open/community source products built by higher ed (CAS, Shib, Grouper),  some commercially supported open source products, and new IAM components that we help to develop via the CIFER project.

- Dedra

----------------------------------------
Dedra Chamberlin, Deputy Director
Identity and Access Management 
UCSF and UC Berkeley
415-502-3181 (office)
510-710-1554 (cell)




Brian,

When you say modernize, you do not mean replacing with a purchased product, correct?

Sharif

From: Brian Bernier <brian.bernier@BC.EDU>
Reply-To: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

John,

Boston College is in the middle of a multi-year project to modernize our homegrown IAM system.  I would be happy to share details on our experience as well.

Brian


Director, Architecture and Integration Services
Information Technology Services
Boston College


From: John C Borne <jcb@LSU.EDU>
Reply-To: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:07 AM
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Hi all,

 

We are contemplating what it would take to replace our homegrown IdM system at some point in the, hopefully, very near future.  If anyone has done a similar project or exercise in the last couple of years and feels they can share their requirements list, bid specifications, or RFP document, I’d be most appreciative.  If you like, send it to me off-list and it will be held in strict confidence. 

 

Thanks!

 

John B

 

John Borne

Chief IT Security & Policy Officer

Information Technology Services

Louisiana State University

200 Frey Computing Ctr

Baton Rouge, LA 70803

 

(225) 578-3724

jcb at lsu.edu

 

 

Message from brian.bernier@bc.edu

We have purchased a product to do role/affiliation/entitlement management as well as some account provisioning.  For other parts of the IAM system, though, we are replacing homegrown solutions with open source products like CAS, Grouper, Shibboleth, etc.  We want to use open source/community-based products as much as possible while following a best-of-breed approach.



From: Sharif Nijim <snijim@ND.EDU>
Reply-To: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Brian,

When you say modernize, you do not mean replacing with a purchased product, correct?

Sharif

From: Brian Bernier <brian.bernier@BC.EDU>
Reply-To: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

John,

Boston College is in the middle of a multi-year project to modernize our homegrown IAM system.  I would be happy to share details on our experience as well.

Brian


Director, Architecture and Integration Services
Information Technology Services
Boston College


From: John C Borne <jcb@LSU.EDU>
Reply-To: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:07 AM
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Hi all,

 

We are contemplating what it would take to replace our homegrown IdM system at some point in the, hopefully, very near future.  If anyone has done a similar project or exercise in the last couple of years and feels they can share their requirements list, bid specifications, or RFP document, I’d be most appreciative.  If you like, send it to me off-list and it will be held in strict confidence. 

 

Thanks!

 

John B

 

John Borne

Chief IT Security & Policy Officer

Information Technology Services

Louisiana State University

200 Frey Computing Ctr

Baton Rouge, LA 70803

 

(225) 578-3724

jcb at lsu.edu

 

 

Message from mkarram@gwu.edu

Brain, 

I hope all is well. 

I am curious which product are you using for Role/ Entitlement management? 

We are going down that path with Oracle Identity Analytic 

-- 
Regards, 
Mike Karram
Sr. Technical Analyst, Identity and Access Management
Division of Information Technology
The George Washington University
Ashburn, VA
(O) 703.726.4128
(M) 571.339.9039 

Message from brian.bernier@bc.edu

Mike,

We looked at all the products on Gartner's Magic Quadrant (including Oracle's product) as well as several open source solutions and ended up choosing NetIQ (formerly Novell).

Brian

Director, Architecture and Integration Services
Information Technology Services
Boston College


From: Mike Karram <mkarram@GWU.EDU>
Reply-To: "mkarram@gwu.edu" <mkarram@gwu.edu>
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Brain, 

I hope all is well. 

I am curious which product are you using for Role/ Entitlement management? 

We are going down that path with Oracle Identity Analytic 

-- 
Regards, 
Mike Karram
Sr. Technical Analyst, Identity and Access Management
Division of Information Technology
The George Washington University
Ashburn, VA
(O) 703.726.4128
(M) 571.339.9039 

We are using NetIQ as well.

 

From: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list [mailto:IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Bernier
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:37 PM
To: IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

 

Mike,

 

We looked at all the products on Gartner's Magic Quadrant (including Oracle's product) as well as several open source solutions and ended up choosing NetIQ (formerly Novell).

 

Brian

 

Director, Architecture and Integration Services

Information Technology Services

Boston College

 

 

From: Mike Karram <mkarram@GWU.EDU>
Reply-To: "mkarram@gwu.edu" <mkarram@gwu.edu>
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

 

Brain, 

 

I hope all is well. 

 

I am curious which product are you using for Role/ Entitlement management? 

 

We are going down that path with Oracle Identity Analytic 

 

-- 
Regards, 
Mike Karram
Sr. Technical Analyst, Identity and Access Management
Division of Information Technology
The George Washington University
Ashburn, VA
(O) 703.726.4128
(M) 571.339.9039 

Same with us at Portland Community College - we chose Novell over Oracle/Sun.  The IdM itself seems solid, we had some initial issues with getting a driver to connect to our Banner ERP, but those are now resolved.

Hank Schottland

Hank,

Can you provide some detail on how you're connecting to Banner?

Thanks,
Sharif

From: Hank Schottland <hank.schottland@PCC.EDU>
Reply-To: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Same with us at Portland Community College - we chose Novell over Oracle/Sun.  The IdM itself seems solid, we had some initial issues with getting a driver to connect to our Banner ERP, but those are now resolved.

Hank Schottland

Message from alacer.cogitatus@gmail.com

I would also like to hear how that was done, we are in the middle of an IDM project as well. Kyle Smith Systems Engineer - Directory Services York College of Pennsylvania 2012/6/28 Sharif Nijim : > Hank, > > Can you provide some detail on how you're connecting to Banner? > > Thanks, > Sharif > > From: Hank Schottland > > Reply-To: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list > > To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" > Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements > > Same with us at Portland Community College - we chose Novell over > Oracle/Sun.  The IdM itself seems solid, we had some initial issues with > getting a driver to connect to our Banner ERP, but those are now resolved. > > Hank Schottland > >
Hi Brian,

What particular role & entitlement management capabilities were you looking for that NetIQ provides? I ask out of long-standing interest in understanding and managing such needs, and which of them to incorporate into Grouper. Since you also intend to run Grouper in your IAM mix, I imagine that you have a fairly good idea of the different "roles" which you expect NetIQ and Grouper to play for BC. Can you tell us about that?

Thanks!
Tom
--
Tom Barton
Senior Director for Architecture, Integration, and Security
Chief Information Security Officer
Information Technology Services
University of Chicago
+1 773 834 1700 (office)

and Grouper project manager

On 6/28/2012 12:37 PM, Brian Bernier wrote:
Mike,

We looked at all the products on Gartner's Magic Quadrant (including Oracle's product) as well as several open source solutions and ended up choosing NetIQ (formerly Novell).

Brian

Director, Architecture and Integration Services
Information Technology Services
Boston College


From: Mike Karram <mkarram@GWU.EDU>
Reply-To: "mkarram@gwu.edu" <mkarram@gwu.edu>
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Brain, 

I hope all is well. 

I am curious which product are you using for Role/ Entitlement management? 

We are going down that path with Oracle Identity Analytic 

-- 
Regards, 
Mike Karram
Sr. Technical Analyst, Identity and Access Management
Division of Information Technology
The George Washington University
Ashburn, VA
(O) 703.726.4128
(M) 571.339.9039 

Ellucian (SunGard) and Novell (NetIQ) partnered to create a Banner Driver to link Banner (our authoritative source of identity info) to the IdM.  It relies on Banner BEIS and Oracle Streams to package the identity info coming out of the Banner tables.  I believe the driver is bidirectional but we are only using it to push from Banner to the IdM.

Hank

Message from joel_avery@yahoo.ca

I would have expected Sungard / Ellucian to have proposed BEIS to link Banner to the IDM. 

Here is a link to a Summit 2012 presentation on that topic: http://www.slideshare.net/joelavery/interfacing-banner-beis-with-identity-management.

Disclaimer: I was one of the presenters.  


Joel Avery
613 725 4859

Providing Strategic Technology Planning for your Enterprise
http://www.linkedin.com/in/joelavery

From: Hank Schottland <hank.schottland@PCC.EDU>
To: IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:08:50 PM
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Ellucian (SunGard) and Novell (NetIQ) partnered to create a Banner Driver to link Banner (our authoritative source of identity info) to the IdM.  It relies on Banner BEIS and Oracle Streams to package the identity info coming out of the Banner tables.  I believe the driver is bidirectional but we are only using it to push from Banner to the IdM.

Hank

As Hank pointed out, BEIS is the Banner IdM process, but it still requires an ‘adapter’ which he is calling a ‘driver’  in order to communicate with an enterprise IdM product.  Similar ‘adapter’ is required for Oracle IdM.  If target is an LDAP directory, then Ellucian provides a ‘free’ connector.

 

Pat Miller

Notre Dame

 

From: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list [mailto:IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Avery
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:23 PM
To: IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

 

I would have expected Sungard / Ellucian to have proposed BEIS to link Banner to the IDM. 

 

Here is a link to a Summit 2012 presentation on that topic: http://www.slideshare.net/joelavery/interfacing-banner-beis-with-identity-management.

 

Disclaimer: I was one of the presenters.  

 

 

Joel Avery
613 725 4859

Providing Strategic Technology Planning for your Enterprise
http://www.linkedin.com/in/joelavery

From: Hank Schottland <hank.schottland@PCC.EDU>
To: IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:08:50 PM
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements



Ellucian (SunGard) and Novell (NetIQ) partnered to create a Banner Driver to link Banner (our authoritative source of identity info) to the IdM.  It relies on Banner BEIS and Oracle Streams to package the identity info coming out of the Banner tables.  I believe the driver is bidirectional but we are only using it to push from Banner to the IdM.

 

Hank

Message from brian.bernier@bc.edu

Hi Tom,

NetIQ allows you to map entitlements (access to resources) to roles within the system.  On the other side you can map these roles to groups (or individuals).  These groups can be managed externally and fed into NetIQ.  Currently we have a homegrown groups management system that we plan to replace with Grouper.  This design would allow us to delegate the administration of entitlement access to various resource owners without having to give them access directly into our identity management system.

NetIQ also has the ability to automatically provision and deprovision accounts on various systems (e.g. Unix/Windows machines, email systems, LMS systems, etc.) based on a user's entitlements.  One nice thing about this product is that it can work with dynamic groups so entitlements can be mapped to a group that is determined by a certain attributes on a user's record.

I would be happy to discuss in more detail off-line if you'd like.

Brian

Director, Architecture and Integration Services
Information Technology Services
Boston College


From: Tom Barton <tbarton@uchicago.edu>
To: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list <IDM@listserv.educause.edu>
Cc: Brian Bernier <brian.bernier@bc.edu>
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Hi Brian,

What particular role & entitlement management capabilities were you looking for that NetIQ provides? I ask out of long-standing interest in understanding and managing such needs, and which of them to incorporate into Grouper. Since you also intend to run Grouper in your IAM mix, I imagine that you have a fairly good idea of the different "roles" which you expect NetIQ and Grouper to play for BC. Can you tell us about that?

Thanks!
Tom
--
Tom Barton
Senior Director for Architecture, Integration, and Security
Chief Information Security Officer
Information Technology Services
University of Chicago
+1 773 834 1700 (office)

and Grouper project manager

On 6/28/2012 12:37 PM, Brian Bernier wrote:
Mike,

We looked at all the products on Gartner's Magic Quadrant (including Oracle's product) as well as several open source solutions and ended up choosing NetIQ (formerly Novell).

Brian

Director, Architecture and Integration Services
Information Technology Services
Boston College


From: Mike Karram <mkarram@GWU.EDU>
Reply-To: "mkarram@gwu.edu" <mkarram@gwu.edu>
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Brain, 

I hope all is well. 

I am curious which product are you using for Role/ Entitlement management? 

We are going down that path with Oracle Identity Analytic 

-- 
Regards, 
Mike Karram
Sr. Technical Analyst, Identity and Access Management
Division of Information Technology
The George Washington University
Ashburn, VA
(O) 703.726.4128
(M) 571.339.9039 

Message from joel_avery@yahoo.ca

My apologies - I missed the mention of BEIS in his original email.

We pushed the events via SPML to the IDM which takes more effort than one might expect. However, I always see this more as "configuration" than the coding it actually was. 

I've attached a diagram of the components and dataflow.
 


Joel Avery
613 725 4859

Providing Strategic Technology Planning for your Enterprise
http://www.linkedin.com/in/joelavery

From: Patrick Miller <pmiller@ND.EDU>
To: IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:35:41 PM
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

As Hank pointed out, BEIS is the Banner IdM process, but it still requires an ‘adapter’ which he is calling a ‘driver’  in order to communicate with an enterprise IdM product.  Similar ‘adapter’ is required for Oracle IdM.  If target is an LDAP directory, then Ellucian provides a ‘free’ connector.
 
Pat Miller
Notre Dame
 
From: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list [mailto:IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Avery
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:23 PM
To: IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements
 
I would have expected Sungard / Ellucian to have proposed BEIS to link Banner to the IDM. 
 
Here is a link to a Summit 2012 presentation on that topic: http://www.slideshare.net/joelavery/interfacing-banner-beis-with-identity-management.
 
Disclaimer: I was one of the presenters.  
 
 
Joel Avery
613 725 4859

Providing Strategic Technology Planning for your Enterprise
http://www.linkedin.com/in/joelavery
From: Hank Schottland <hank.schottland@PCC.EDU>
To: IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:08:50 PM
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements


Ellucian (SunGard) and Novell (NetIQ) partnered to create a Banner Driver to link Banner (our authoritative source of identity info) to the IdM.  It relies on Banner BEIS and Oracle Streams to package the identity info coming out of the Banner tables.  I believe the driver is bidirectional but we are only using it to push from Banner to the IdM.
 
Hank
We are too, but we are using the jdbc driver for connecting to banner.  We have entitlements setup for several things. We are cheap and don't pay for the role based provisioning driver.


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Noteโ„ข, an AT&T LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements
From: "Jones, Mark B" <Mark.B.Jones@UTH.TMC.EDU>
To:
CC: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements



>>> "Jones, Mark B" 2012-06-28T12:47:29.584680 >>>
We are using NetIQ as well.

From: Identity Management Constituent Group Discussion list [mailto:IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Bernier
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:37 PM
To: IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Mike,

We looked at all the products on Gartner's Magic Quadrant (including Oracle's product) as well as several open source solutions and ended up choosing NetIQ (formerly Novell).

Brian

Director, Architecture and Integration Services
Information Technology Services
Boston College
brian.bernier@bc.edu


From: Mike Karram >
Reply-To: "mkarram@gwu.edu" >
To: "IDM@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" >
Subject: Re: [IDM] Identity Management Requirements

Brain,

I hope all is well.

I am curious which product are you using for Role/ Entitlement management?

We are going down that path with Oracle Identity Analytic

--
Regards,
Mike Karram
Sr. Technical Analyst, Identity and Access Management
Division of Information Technology
The George Washington University
Ashburn, VA
(O) 703.726.4128
(M) 571.339.9039
Hi, All,
2012 is a planning year for Portland State University; we have been live with Banner->SunIdM->LDAP/AD/(Google 2011) since late 2007.
We added generation of UDCIdentifier in Banner->SunIdM->LDAP/AD in 2010.
We are implementing BEIS 8.1.5/CAS (used extensively here for other apps; Banner apps the late joiner, this fall) and plan to adopt the STREAMS->B.I.G./I.P.G.->SPML as we implement the platform we selected to replace SunIdM: SailPoint IdentityIQ.
IdentityIQ's Role and Entitlement definition and management capabilities were two of the deciding factors, along with SunIdM migration plan, Workflow platform.
-mk


Thanks for the info, this is a great thread!

Here at University of Victoria, we have been live with Banner -> Sun IDM -> LDAP/AD/Exchange since March/2008.
We added JaSIG CAS SSO in November/2010, for several ERP apps including Banner SSB and INB.  We have yet to integrate with BEIS.
We have a home-rolled Sun IDM integration with Banner based on Oracle triggers, and a custom view that feeds IDM ActiveSync for near real-time provisioning.
Our Sun IDM stack connects to 10 campus systems through resource adapters.

We are surveying our post-Sun IDM options, and I'm interested to hear more about Banner integrations with IdentityIQ and NetIQ, specifically:

1) What kinds of software development skills are needed to use both those platforms ?

2) In terms of resource connectivity, can anyone speak to how well those products handle connectivity with multiple systems at once ?  One of our aims is to continue to provide as much near real-time provisioning service as possible.

Thanks for the discussion so far!

Corey S.


Corey Scholefield
Identity & Access Mgmt. Services
UVic Online | University Systems
University of Victoria | Victoria, BC, Canada
coreys@uvic.ca | +1.250.472.4549


On 06/29/2012 10:17 AM, MK Moskal wrote:
Hi, All,
2012 is a planning year for Portland State University; we have been live with Banner->SunIdM->LDAP/AD/(Google 2011) since late 2007.
We added generation of UDCIdentifier in Banner->SunIdM->LDAP/AD in 2010.
We are implementing BEIS 8.1.5/CAS (used extensively here for other apps; Banner apps the late joiner, this fall) and plan to adopt the STREAMS->B.I.G./I.P.G.->SPML as we implement the platform we selected to replace SunIdM: SailPoint IdentityIQ.
IdentityIQ's Role and Entitlement definition and management capabilities were two of the deciding factors, along with SunIdM migration plan, Workflow platform.
-mk


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