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I recently passed the CISSP exam, I would appreciate a reply from current CISSP certificate holder who is in good standing with (ISC)2 and willing to be my endorser. Once/If I hear from you I will send required documentation directly to you.
 
Thank you in advance for your time and consideration,
 
 
 
 
Tarun Trivedi
 
IT Security Engineer
Waubonsee Community College
Route 47 at Waubonsee Drive
Sugar Grove, IL 60554
Ph#630-466-5744
 
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Tarun,

 

Please explain to me how I know you?  The endorsement form clearly states that an endorser must know the candidate personally.

 

Thx

steve

 

Stephen W. Bradley – CISSP SSCP GCIH GCFA GWAPT

Senior Security Engineer

Miami University

Information Technology

513-529-1809

bradlesw@muohio.edu

 

Tarun, Normally, the person endorsing you has to indicate that they know endorsee personally and document how long the personal relationship has been in place. Hopefully, someone that is a CISSP and knows you personally has responded privately already. There is, however, a way to get endorsed even if you don’t know another CISSP personally. Please visit this page for help getting endorsed if you can't find someone locally: https://www.isc2.org/uploadedFiles/Certification_Programs/applicant-endo... Given your location, I can't help but think you probably have relationships with folks in another CC in or near Chicago and/or Northwestern University, The University of Chicago, The University of Illinois at Chicago, etc. If you're a member of Infragard, there are several CISSPs that may be able to help. Good luck, -- KS [1] - https://www.isc2.org/endorsement.aspx Keith Schoenefeld Information Security Analyst Baylor University 254-710-6667

Steve and Keith,

Thank you for your replies and inforamtion you have provided.

Tarun.

 

Tarun Trivedi
 
IT Security Engineer
Waubonsee Community College
Route 47 at Waubonsee Drive
Sugar Grove, IL 60554
Ph#630-466-5744
 
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I was very tempted to forward this message to ISC2 so they might consider this when they decide if they are going to grant you the CISSP.  I chose not to, but, I encourage you to carefully review the documents associated with the certificate.  It’s not just a pass the test, and hang out your shingle.  I sincerely hope your casual attitude is not typical of the way you operate.

Message from duprleo@gmail.com

Hmm nice to know people still care.

Well back to work...

From someone who really understands the importance of security!.. I live in Flint MI and work in Detroit :)

Thx for the inspiration.

Leon DuPree

On Jul 17, 2012 11:08 AM, "Roger A Safian" <r-safian@northwestern.edu> wrote:

I was very tempted to forward this message to ISC2 so they might consider this when they decide if they are going to grant you the CISSP.  I chose not to, but, I encourage you to carefully review the documents associated with the certificate.  It’s not just a pass the test, and hang out your shingle.  I sincerely hope your casual attitude is not typical of the way you operate.

I will give Tarun the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe he was not clear on the process.  Until we prove otherwise, we all deserve that consideration.

 

Doug

 

Tarun, Given this response, I would avoid contacting anyone at Northwestern for an endorsement. Roger, Seriously, relax your natural curmudgeonly attitude a bit and put yourself in a new CISSP's shoes. This is often a person who is relatively new in a dedicated security role and/or is entering or trying to set himself/herself up for advancement. Before you get upset about the 'new in a dedicated security role', let's be honest: A good and experienced systems administrator that's trying to break in to security meets the experience requirements for a CISSP, or did last time I evaluated the CBKs. Either way, such an individual is using the CISSP to affirm his knowledge or communicate to others that he has a base of knowledge that is consistent with security professionals. Here was my rollercoaster ride after the CISSP test. - I left the test feeling fried. I'd taken all of the practice tests I could find. I was scoring > 90% on all of the CBKs and completing full length sample tests in less than an hour. The test itself took me almost 2 hours, as I recall, and I was totally drained at the end. I had zero confidence that I passed. - I waited for some number of weeks (don't recall how many) wondering whether I'd passed or not, stressing about whether I'd wasted my employer's money and whether I'd have to pay for a retest -- because I was going to pass the test. - I finally received an email message informing me of the results. The first sentence in the body of that message was "Congratulations! We are pleased to inform you that you have passed the Certified Information Systems Security Professional (CISSP®) examination - the first step in becoming certified as a CISSP." I went from "YES!" to "Well crap!" in one sentence... what a downer. - I reviewed the information in the remainder of the email, including the referenced link [1] that states: "A candidate receiving a pass letter informing the candidate that he or she has passed the certification examination will also receive a blank endorsement form. The form must be completed and signed by an (ISC)² certified professional. The (ISC)² certified professional is anyone who: 1) Is able to attest to the candidate's professional experience 2) Is an active (ISC)2 credential holder in good standing." Given the endorsement process of contacting each supervisor, etc. it's easy for an endorser to perform step 1 without any personal relationship. The remainder of the endorsement form asks personal questions that inform professional character, but they are not covered by requirements 1) and 2) as indicated on the website. The fact is that the instructions from ISC2 are vague, and I won't hold it against anyone if they stumble through that process as I did. I certainly wouldn't call them out via an email to a list of their colleagues and peers -- I reserve that for seasoned professionals that claim to have made a carefully measured decision to be a jerk. -- KS [1] - https://www.isc2.org/endorsement.aspx Keith Schoenefeld Information Security Analyst Baylor University 254-710-6667
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:53:51 -0400, Doug Kahn said: > I will give Tarun the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe he was > not clear on the process. Until we prove otherwise, we all deserve that > consideration. I have to admit that if I ever got around to doing the whole CISSP thing, I'll probably end up posting to a local list saying "Hey, I just passed the test, which of you guys know me and have a CISSP" - because I suspect we have a number of CISSP holders on campus who are just pretty quiet about it (I actually know for certain of only one because I've seen the plaque in his office , and know one other that probably has it but he's not the type to mention it. Randy might actually know how many CISSP's we have running around loose around here). I figured Tarun just miscued and posted to the wrong list. :)
Keith, Your test experience mirrors mine. I was a System Admin who wanted to advance my career. I remember my struggle to find a CISSP in good standing for a recommendation. I second your conclusions. -wm
I'm with you on this one Keith. It's disappointing to see that his peer group in the educational field can be so brash towards a new candidate. Whereas I don't at all agree in the methodology that was chosen to request endorsement, I'd at least expect a level of civility to guide him to the proper channels. Tarun, congratulations on your first step. As Roger states, you're going to need to build credibility in the community. I'd suggest finding a local security group where you can get to know some of them personally and professionally. David Pirolo Warner Pacific College On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 16:16 +0000, Schoenefeld, Keith P. wrote: > Tarun, > > Given this response, I would avoid contacting anyone at Northwestern for an endorsement. > > Roger, > > Seriously, relax your natural curmudgeonly attitude a bit and put yourself in a new CISSP's shoes. This is often a person who is relatively new in a dedicated security role and/or is entering or trying to set himself/herself up for advancement. Before you get upset about the 'new in a dedicated security role', let's be honest: A good and experienced systems administrator that's trying to break in to security meets the experience requirements for a CISSP, or did last time I evaluated the CBKs. Either way, such an individual is using the CISSP to affirm his knowledge or communicate to others that he has a base of knowledge that is consistent with security professionals. Here was my rollercoaster ride after the CISSP test. > > - I left the test feeling fried. I'd taken all of the practice tests I could find. I was scoring > 90% on all of the CBKs and completing full length sample tests in less than an hour. The test itself took me almost 2 hours, as I recall, and I was totally drained at the end. I had zero confidence that I passed. > - I waited for some number of weeks (don't recall how many) wondering whether I'd passed or not, stressing about whether I'd wasted my employer's money and whether I'd have to pay for a retest -- because I was going to pass the test. > - I finally received an email message informing me of the results. The first sentence in the body of that message was "Congratulations! We are pleased to inform you that you have passed the Certified Information Systems Security Professional (CISSP®) examination - the first step in becoming certified as a CISSP." I went from "YES!" to "Well crap!" in one sentence... what a downer. > - I reviewed the information in the remainder of the email, including the referenced link [1] that states: > > "A candidate receiving a pass letter informing the candidate that he or she has passed the certification examination will also receive a blank endorsement form. The form must be completed and signed by an (ISC)² certified professional. The (ISC)² certified professional is anyone who: > > 1) Is able to attest to the candidate's professional experience > 2) Is an active (ISC)2 credential holder in good standing." > > Given the endorsement process of contacting each supervisor, etc. it's easy for an endorser to perform step 1 without any personal relationship. The remainder of the endorsement form asks personal questions that inform professional character, but they are not covered by requirements 1) and 2) as indicated on the website. > > The fact is that the instructions from ISC2 are vague, and I won't hold it against anyone if they stumble through that process as I did. I certainly wouldn't call them out via an email to a list of their colleagues and peers -- I reserve that for seasoned professionals that claim to have made a carefully measured decision to be a jerk. > > -- KS > > [1] - https://www.isc2.org/endorsement.aspx > > Keith Schoenefeld > Information Security Analyst > Baylor University > 254-710-6667
Message from bsigmo15@uncc.edu

If you can't find an endorser, you can follow the steps listed in the CISSP endorsement assistance form at the below link.


Also, I don't feel that your email was too out of line, considering that particular form also says:

 

Please consider finding a qualified member to endorse you by using any of the following resources: (ISC)2 Member Directory, ISSA chapters, LinkedIn, Facebook, and Twitter. 


Thanks,

 

Aaron Sigmon | Sr. Information Security Engineer

UNC Charlotte | Information and Technology Services

9201 University City Blvd. | Charlotte, NC 28223

Phone: 704.687.1289

bsigmo15@uncc.edu | http://www.uncc.edu

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From: Tarun Trivedi <ttrivedi@WAUBONSEE.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv <SECURITY@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:09 AM
To: "SECURITY@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <SECURITY@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [SECURITY] CISSP Endorsement request

Hello,
 
I recently passed the CISSP exam, I would appreciate a reply from current CISSP certificate holder who is in good standing with (ISC)2 and willing to be my endorser. Once/If I hear from you I will send required documentation directly to you.
 
Thank you in advance for your time and consideration,
 
 
 
 
Tarun Trivedi
 
IT Security Engineer
Waubonsee Community College
Route 47 at Waubonsee Drive
Sugar Grove, IL 60554
Ph#630-466-5744
 
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This message, including any attachment(s), is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the Technical Assistance Center immediately by telephone at 630-466-4357 and then delete the message from your system. Thank you.

Unless the rules have changed recently without my noticing, there are a couple of choices for endorser besides "a CISSP in good standing". I did know several such personages at the time through our local ISSA chapter (which organized a helpful series of prep/study evenings for CISSP candidates), but I actually used the endorsement of our CIO because he was far more familiar with me and my recent work in the field than any of my ISSA contacts. David Gillett, CISSP CCNP ________________________________________ From: Wayne S. Martin [MartinW@BRCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:30 AM To: SECURITY@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] CISSP Endorsement request Keith, Your test experience mirrors mine. I was a System Admin who wanted to advance my career. I remember my struggle to find a CISSP in good standing for a recommendation. I second your conclusions. -wm
It's also worth pointing out that (ISC)2 will act as the endorser in cases where the candidate does not know someone: https://www.isc2.org/endorsement-form.aspx See the section titled: "If You Do Not Have a Credentialed Endorser and Need Assistance" I also completely share Keith & David's disappointment at some of the incivility and displayed in response to this thread. Congratulations, and good luck Tarun. - greg ------ Gregory Pendergast Information Security Analyst Virginia Commonwealth University
Indeed.  I too got the VP to sign off on mine.
 
Don't be so hard on the guy.  Its not like this cert gives him the right to perform brain surgery or a key to a private biffy.
 
Congrats Tarun and good luck in your endevours.
Mark
 

>>> David Gillett <gillettdavid@FHDA.EDU> 7/17/2012 11:39 AM >>>
  Unless the rules have changed recently without my noticing, there are a couple of choices for endorser besides "a CISSP in good standing".  I did know several such personages at the time through our local ISSA chapter (which organized a helpful series of prep/study evenings for CISSP candidates), but I actually used the endorsement of our CIO because he was far more familiar with me and my recent work in the field than any of my ISSA contacts.

David Gillett, CISSP CCNP

________________________________________
From: Wayne S. Martin [MartinW@BRCC.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:30 AM
To: SECURITY@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [SECURITY] CISSP Endorsement request

Keith,

Your test experience mirrors mine. I was a System Admin who wanted to advance my career. I remember my struggle to find a CISSP in good standing for a recommendation. I second your conclusions.

-wm

Thank you all for sharing your experience, criticism and support. Information you've shared in your posts has been very helpful to me, I look forward to learn, participate and be part of Educause listserv user community.
 
Tarun.

 
Tarun Trivedi
 
IT Security Engineer
Waubonsee Community College
Route 47 at Waubonsee Drive
Sugar Grove, IL 60554
Ph#630-466-5744
 
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This message, including any attachment(s), is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the Technical Assistance Center immediately by telephone at 630-466-4357 and then delete the message from your system. Thank you.

>>> Mark Rogowski <m.rogowski@UWINNIPEG.CA> 7/17/2012 12:29 PM >>>
Indeed.  I too got the VP to sign off on mine.
 
Don't be so hard on the guy.  Its not like this cert gives him the right to perform brain surgery or a key to a private biffy.
 
Congrats Tarun and good luck in your endevours.
Mark
 

>>> David Gillett <gillettdavid@FHDA.EDU> 7/17/2012 11:39 AM >>>
  Unless the rules have changed recently without my noticing, there are a couple of choices for endorser besides "a CISSP in good standing".  I did know several such personages at the time through our local ISSA chapter (which organized a helpful series of prep/study evenings for CISSP candidates), but I actually used the endorsement of our CIO because he was far more familiar with me and my recent work in the field than any of my ISSA contacts.

David Gillett, CISSP CCNP

________________________________________
From: Wayne S. Martin [MartinW@BRCC.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:30 AM
To: SECURITY@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [SECURITY] CISSP Endorsement request

Keith,

Your test experience mirrors mine. I was a System Admin who wanted to advance my career. I remember my struggle to find a CISSP in good standing for a recommendation. I second your conclusions.

-wm

I am not going to take sides, either way, on this issue (I avoid criticizing anyone publicly) – but to close it out – please remember that what is said on this listserv is archived and freely searchable on the internet, most likely forever. 


Sincerely,

 

Justin P. Webb

Information Security Officer

IT Services, Marquette University

414-288-4196

justin.webb@marquette.edu



From: Mark Rogowski <m.rogowski@UWINNIPEG.CA>
Reply-To: EDUCAUSE Listserv <SECURITY@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:29 PM
To: EDUCAUSE Listserv <SECURITY@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [SECURITY] CISSP Endorsement request

Indeed.  I too got the VP to sign off on mine.
 
Don't be so hard on the guy.  Its not like this cert gives him the right to perform brain surgery or a key to a private biffy.
 
Congrats Tarun and good luck in your endevours.
Mark
 

>>> David Gillett <gillettdavid@FHDA.EDU> 7/17/2012 11:39 AM >>>
  Unless the rules have changed recently without my noticing, there are a couple of choices for endorser besides "a CISSP in good standing".  I did know several such personages at the time through our local ISSA chapter (which organized a helpful series of prep/study evenings for CISSP candidates), but I actually used the endorsement of our CIO because he was far more familiar with me and my recent work in the field than any of my ISSA contacts.

David Gillett, CISSP CCNP

________________________________________
From: Wayne S. Martin [MartinW@BRCC.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:30 AM
To: SECURITY@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [SECURITY] CISSP Endorsement request

Keith,

Your test experience mirrors mine. I was a System Admin who wanted to advance my career. I remember my struggle to find a CISSP in good standing for a recommendation. I second your conclusions.

-wm

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