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Hello everyone,

Today, I dialed in to an Adobe webinar sponsored by Digital River and The Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Pennsylvania (AICUP) with Adobe representatives included in the webinar.  The topic was to discuss this whole licensing change.  Essentially they communicated that the concurrent licensing for the Creative Suites are going away - they will offer an Enterprise package of the Master Collection, priced according to your FTE, and you can install it on all university owned machines. (They have some fancy acronyms for these licensing structures, and a whole sales pitch on value added features like more frequent updates, cloud features, etc. - but reading between the lines it sounds like more expense and more complexity).  This Enterprise package model is their most cost-effective option, as opposed to individual licenses of the individual apps.  From doing some rough math, this means an over 1,000% pricing increase for our institution.  I guess to be "nice," adobe has decided to offer this enterprise package at a "great" price IF AICUP can get enough of it's members to "drink the koolaid" and gather a cumulative 10,000 FTE count among its members.  Even if we manage to get that pricing, again with rough math, our institution is looking at over a 300% price increase.  Additionally I'm told that deployment methods for future Adobe products will be changing because of the licensing structure.  Some of us in the webinar asked the Adobe rep for details, and he told us that he "could not tell us any details at this time without having us sign non-disclosure agreements."  I certainly didn't appreciate the legalese answer, especially when they are proposing changes for late summer after most of us in higher ed have finished our summer deployments.  Have any of you been impacted by this big change?  Thoughts?  Plans of action?  Can your institutions afford this radical price increase?

Best Regards,
Brady Gallese
Susquehanna University
gallese@susqu.edu

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For us, the key will be whether Adobe continues to sell its Creative Suite tools as 'standard' applications (that is, a license and media kit that belong to us in perpetuity).  I am hearing rumors that Adobe plans to migrate to an entirely cloud-based licensing system, such that all we could do is buy the use of tools for a given period.  And, as you note, at a huge price increase.  Sadly I can't get confirmation one way or the other from our Adobe reseller, either because Adobe hasn't told them or because of a NDA.

Cordially,
David
_____________________________________________________________________
David W. Sisk    Associate Director for Administration, Information Technology Services
Macalester College    /    1600 Grand Avenue    /     Saint Paul, Minnesota  55105-1899
http://www.macalester.edu/~sisk/                Voice (651) 696-6745,  FAX (651) 696-6778


Brady,
 
The Texas Community Colleges were able to pool faculty/staff FTE to make a cumulative 20,000 FTE cost model.  For our college it reduced our spend by about half.  For other CC's in the state it did not work for them and they did not join the group because they don't use that many Adobe licenses.  I don't know where Adobe's model will end up.  Since we are also a Microsoft Campus license institution, it made sense to us to go this direction.
 
David

 
David Hoyt
Chief Information Systems Officer
 
  Collin College     
  Collin Higher  Education Center
  3452 Spur 399
  McKinney, TX  75069
 
P - 972.599.3133   F - 972.599.3131
>>> On 2/21/2013 at 6:11 PM, in message <CD4C2104.22623%gallese@susqu.edu>, "Gallese, Brady T." <gallese@SUSQU.EDU> wrote:
Hello everyone,

Today, I dialed in to an Adobe webinar sponsored by Digital River and The Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Pennsylvania (AICUP) with Adobe representatives included in the webinar.  The topic was to discuss this whole licensing change.  Essentially they communicated that the concurrent licensing for the Creative Suites are going away - they will offer an Enterprise package of the Master Collection, priced according to your FTE, and you can install it on all university owned machines. (They have some fancy acronyms for these licensing structures, and a whole sales pitch on value added features like more frequent updates, cloud features, etc. - but reading between the lines it sounds like more expense and more complexity).  This Enterprise package model is their most cost-effective option, as opposed to individual licenses of the individual apps.  From doing some rough math, this means an over 1,000% pricing increase for our institution.  I guess to be "nice," adobe has decided to offer this enterprise package at a "great" price IF AICUP can get enough of it's members to "drink the koolaid" and gather a cumulative 10,000 FTE count among its members.  Even if we manage to get that pricing, again with rough math, our institution is looking at over a 300% price increase.  Additionally I'm told that deployment methods for future Adobe products will be changing because of the licensing structure.  Some of us in the webinar asked the Adobe rep for details, and he told us that he "could not tell us any details at this time without having us sign non-disclosure agreements."  I certainly didn't appreciate the legalese answer, especially when they are proposing changes for late summer after most of us in higher ed have finished our summer deployments.  Have any of you been impacted by this big change?  Thoughts?  Plans of action?  Can your institutions afford this radical price increase?

Best Regards,
Brady Gallese
Susquehanna University
gallese@susqu.edu

We were not happy with the licensing change either, but it was going to cost us over half the price of the “site” license just to upgrade one lab of 20 computers to the latest edition of the Creative Suite. We decided to with the ELA (“site”) license for a year or two and we’re going to see if we can get some good data on software usage to see if it’s really worth that large financial outlay every year, or whether we should just pay for upgrades as we go.

 

Hope that helps!

 

Tom

 

Tom Marcotte

Director of User Services

Skidmore College

815 N. Broadway

Tech Services Walkway

Saratoga Springs, NY 12866

(518) 580-5935

 

 

 

I should also note that we were able to get better pricing by going through a large consortium (NERCOMP) and that’s what really made it possible.

 

Tom

 

Hello everyone,

Today, I dialed in to an Adobe webinar sponsored by Digital River and The Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Pennsylvania (AICUP) with Adobe representatives included in the webinar.  The topic was to discuss this whole licensing change.  Essentially they communicated that the concurrent licensing for the Creative Suites are going away - they will offer an Enterprise package of the Master Collection, priced according to your FTE, and you can install it on all university owned machines. (They have some fancy acronyms for these licensing structures, and a whole sales pitch on value added features like more frequent updates, cloud features, etc. - but reading between the lines it sounds like more expense and more complexity).  This Enterprise package model is their most cost-effective option, as opposed to individual licenses of the individual apps.  From doing some rough math, this means an over 1,000% pricing increase for our institution.  I guess to be "nice," adobe has decided to offer this enterprise package at a "great" price IF AICUP can get enough of it's members to "drink the koolaid" and gather a cumulative 10,000 FTE count among its members.  Even if we manage to get that pricing, again with rough math, our institution is looking at over a 300% price increase.  Additionally I'm told that deployment methods for future Adobe products will be changing because of the licensing structure.  Some of us in the webinar asked the Adobe rep for details, and he told us that he "could not tell us any details at this time without having us sign non-disclosure agreements."  I certainly didn't appreciate the legalese answer, especially when they are proposing changes for late summer after most of us in higher ed have finished our summer deployments.  Have any of you been impacted by this big change?  Thoughts?  Plans of action?  Can your institutions afford this radical price increase?

Best Regards,
Brady Gallese
Susquehanna University
gallese@susqu.edu

For us, the key will be whether Adobe continues to sell its Creative Suite tools as 'standard' applications (that is, a license and media kit that belong to us in perpetuity).  I am hearing rumors that Adobe plans to migrate to an entirely cloud-based licensing system, such that all we could do is buy the use of tools for a given period.  And, as you note, at a huge price increase.  Sadly I can't get confirmation one way or the other from our Adobe reseller, either because Adobe hasn't told them or because of a NDA.

Cordially,
David
_____________________________________________________________________
David W. Sisk    Associate Director for Administration, Information Technology Services
Macalester College    /    1600 Grand Avenue    /     Saint Paul, Minnesota  55105-1899
http://www.macalester.edu/~sisk/                Voice (651) 696-6745,  FAX (651) 696-6778


Brady,
 
The Texas Community Colleges were able to pool faculty/staff FTE to make a cumulative 20,000 FTE cost model.  For our college it reduced our spend by about half.  For other CC's in the state it did not work for them and they did not join the group because they don't use that many Adobe licenses.  I don't know where Adobe's model will end up.  Since we are also a Microsoft Campus license institution, it made sense to us to go this direction.
 
David

 
David Hoyt
Chief Information Systems Officer
 
  Collin College     
  Collin Higher  Education Center
  3452 Spur 399
  McKinney, TX  75069
 
P - 972.599.3133   F - 972.599.3131
>>> On 2/21/2013 at 6:11 PM, in message <CD4C2104.22623%gallese@susqu.edu>, "Gallese, Brady T." <gallese@SUSQU.EDU> wrote:
Hello everyone,

Today, I dialed in to an Adobe webinar sponsored by Digital River and The Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Pennsylvania (AICUP) with Adobe representatives included in the webinar.  The topic was to discuss this whole licensing change.  Essentially they communicated that the concurrent licensing for the Creative Suites are going away - they will offer an Enterprise package of the Master Collection, priced according to your FTE, and you can install it on all university owned machines. (They have some fancy acronyms for these licensing structures, and a whole sales pitch on value added features like more frequent updates, cloud features, etc. - but reading between the lines it sounds like more expense and more complexity).  This Enterprise package model is their most cost-effective option, as opposed to individual licenses of the individual apps.  From doing some rough math, this means an over 1,000% pricing increase for our institution.  I guess to be "nice," adobe has decided to offer this enterprise package at a "great" price IF AICUP can get enough of it's members to "drink the koolaid" and gather a cumulative 10,000 FTE count among its members.  Even if we manage to get that pricing, again with rough math, our institution is looking at over a 300% price increase.  Additionally I'm told that deployment methods for future Adobe products will be changing because of the licensing structure.  Some of us in the webinar asked the Adobe rep for details, and he told us that he "could not tell us any details at this time without having us sign non-disclosure agreements."  I certainly didn't appreciate the legalese answer, especially when they are proposing changes for late summer after most of us in higher ed have finished our summer deployments.  Have any of you been impacted by this big change?  Thoughts?  Plans of action?  Can your institutions afford this radical price increase?

Best Regards,
Brady Gallese
Susquehanna University
gallese@susqu.edu

We were not happy with the licensing change either, but it was going to cost us over half the price of the “site” license just to upgrade one lab of 20 computers to the latest edition of the Creative Suite. We decided to with the ELA (“site”) license for a year or two and we’re going to see if we can get some good data on software usage to see if it’s really worth that large financial outlay every year, or whether we should just pay for upgrades as we go.

 

Hope that helps!

 

Tom

 

Tom Marcotte

Director of User Services

Skidmore College

815 N. Broadway

Tech Services Walkway

Saratoga Springs, NY 12866

(518) 580-5935

 

 

 

I should also note that we were able to get better pricing by going through a large consortium (NERCOMP) and that’s what really made it possible.

 

Tom

 

A key point in the groups that have indicated a savings with the ELA is size.  Either of the single institution or due to a consortium, the ELA can become very affordable.  We are part of one with about 150 other California schools and we still weren't able to qualify for the ELA as a group.  We got the CLP...but that's it.

If the group doesn't get an ELA next year, for us to get our own would be a 600% increase in our total costs for Adobe products (give or take - we'd save because we wouldn't have to buy individual for CS, but we're paying a big lump sum for the ELA in general).  

I honestly am not sure what we'll do.  But this is the issue for us - we just can't get the FTE together to make an ELA affordable.  
allan


Chief Information Officer
Menlo College
1000 El Camino Real
Atherton, CA 94027
v: 650-543-3889


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