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Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone has been dealing with licensing personally owned devices (including non-Windows devices) to access a campus VDI.  Microsoft has this rather byzantine rule that when users use them from off-campus, they are covered under software assurance (SA) roaming rights.  But, if those same people bring those same personal devices onto campus, they have to have an additional license.  I sort of understand the logic, you don't want a business deciding not to buy computers and licenses and just let people use their own devices for free, but I can see it creating havoc on campus.

Since we have no way of determining who is bring what tablet or iPad or iPhone onto campus, we can't cover everyone, and the licenses are available only under MS Select, so couldn't be added to the Campus Agreement in any event.  My question is, is anyone dealing with this on their campus?  Do you buy licenses for resale to faculty and staff?  Do you just buy a single license for each FTE and cover the cost, or do you do cost recovery?

Murky waters.

jkt


Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM
Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412
336-334-5401


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Message from mknox@austin.utexas.edu

My brain just boggled. Thanks JaniceJ

 

Let me ignore what we did since it is not at all applicable and hence I may be totally confused.

 

But if you have licensed VDI for campus usage (institutional computers)  I would say one just needs to override that bit of byzantineness with a statement that explicitly permits the usage of privately owned machines brought to campus. Since if I am understanding one of the points, in essence, the individual is just substituting the use of the personal for the licensed institutional one? (And if not included in the language of the institutional licensing, I would just send a note to your rep stating interpretation).

 

Or surely we can put an equally bizarre twist in such as declaring the use wrt VDIness of on campus usage of a personal device is equated to off campus usage. smile

 

I really think VDIness is still too complicated and at least for education, MS should just say bless you and go forth and spread the word of success with VDI.

 

 

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Yes, I think this is emblematic of some of the problem we identified in our earlier discussions about the lag between the legal and technical side of things.  Even MS was confused - first we were told that the additional license was needed, then someone else told us no, the machines were covered under our SA, and then someone more "expert" said that no, in fact, although it's bizarre we do in fact have to purchase a VDA license for any personally owned machine that is brought on campus (and any non-Windows machine that is university owned), although they're covered under SA if they remain at home.  

I've currently asked our vendor rep how we're supposed to sell licenses for personal devices, so we'll see what they come up.  It's not something we're doing immediately, we're just looking at VDI on campus first, so maybe things will improve by the time we're ready.  Things are very unsettled in the world of virtualization.

jkt


Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM
Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412
336-334-5401




Greetings! I’ve seen there has already been some discussion on this topic and wondered if anyone is aware of any updates in how Microsoft is dealing with VDA licensing. With the current trends in BYOD and use of VDI to reduce costs of physical computer labs, the VDA licensing requirements as I under stand them make VDI for student use pretty cost prohibitive. Since no student owned devices are included under any Software Assurance and also include non-SA covered devices (e.g., smartphones and tablets), Microsoft’s VDI and VDA FAQ v3.0 indicates we would need a VDA license for each of our students’ devices. Since many students have more than one device, this quickly becomes cost prohibitive for a VDI infrastructure. Our VDI environment allows us to limit the number of concurrent sessions, but thus far Microsoft has indicated VDA licenses must be based upon total devices, not concurrent uses of a virtualized Windows OS. Am I totally misunderstanding the licensing, or have any of you with large student oriented VDI deployments found an appropriate licensing model for delivering virtualized Windows desktops? Thanks in advance - Craig Brown http://directory.uark.edu/people/cbrown ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
One approach.... I believe we are waiting for one of the Microsoft people who attended the face to face meeting to write up what he said in this area so we have something to discuss. I will check I with Enoch on this, and in fact he may have sent me something yesterday as he was reviewing our draft notes. Sent from my iPad Margaret (Marg) H. Knox The University of Texas System
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