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Anyone know more details about this reported change?
It sounds a lot like the existing VDA license.


With Windows 8, Microsoft is adding a new optional add-on to its Software Assurance (SA) volume licensing agreement -- called aCompanion Device License (CDL) -- which gives customers the right to access corporate desktops through virtual desktop infrastructure on up to four personally owned devices.

SA-covered organizations whose employees use iPads and Android tablets for VDI will need to buy the CDL, though Microsoft has not yet said what it will cost. Interestingly, the CDL requirement disappears if an organization uses tablets running Windows RT, the version designed for ARM processors, which are covered under Microsoft's new Windows RT VDA license.





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One of my co-workers offered what he describes as this "more candid" view. 

http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2012/04/19/microsoft-announces-virtual-desktop-licensing-changes-for-windows-8-guess-what-they-re-still-screwing-us.aspx

jkt

Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM
Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412
336-334-5401




Message from mknox@austin.utexas.edu

I always maintain hope that enlightenment comes thru. And that we are somehow different than when corporate licensing is stalked about. I know , I know.

 

Some random initial reactions…

 

While it is nice that the Win RT will come with a CDL licensing built in (it also comes with free Office too or so I have heard) and it may well make a very nice business tablet; I do have to agree that most tablets being bought by the employee will likely be consumer tablets (mostly iPad, some Android for now) that they mangle around to do work. In the case of stipends, that might alter the choices. And certainly if folks see a significant productivity gain with RT, word can spread. But it is up against the cool juggernaut and a LOT of consumer apps. Now personally, if the form factor is good, battery life excellent (10hr), pricing good, I would consider getting a biz tablet for myself (I do hope the kindle cloud works!).

 

I am still not quite understanding the CDL vs VDA . I see some differences but…

 

And the idea that I can do it out of my office without the CDL but not in my office reminds me of the situation we find ourselves with wrt VCLs and some major applications; if you use the app in our lab on our equipment it is okay, but not okay if on personally owned student machines. I guess I can jump into the air repeatedly while using that non RT tablet on campus..it might improve my health but may be annoying in meetings.

 

Now if the licensing is too hard to understand after I spend some time trying to grasp it and if I cannot simply and cleanly explain it to the users, then I begin to look for alternatives that seem to make sense to me. For those of us on Campus Agreements, where the licensing is by person, I would probably start there. I know that does not help everyone…

 

Now we all know what OnLive did when challenged on providing Win 7 desktop, they replaced the Win 7 desktop with Windows server and then they serve up Office. While it was not this issue per se, it does offer a strategy wrt server delivered desktop windows applications. However the loss of some of the gestures that Win 7 desktop was supporting has been noted by some. I am not sure what CloudOn is using to serve up Office but I don’t see a desktop. Obviously these two examples could work in a server based environment for providing major win applications, but is there an issue if one uses an app to get to one’s own (Win 8) desktop -or am I over reading in my startlement? …

 

____________________________________________________

Margaret H. Knox                  mknox@utsystem.edu

 

Chief Information Officer (CIO)     (512)322-3774   

The University of Texas System

CTJ 2.218 78701

      

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Janice Tulloss
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:48 AM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] Microsoft Virtualization Licensing Change under Win8

 

One of my co-workers offered what he describes as this "more candid" view. 

http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2012/04/19/microsoft-announces-virtual-desktop-licensing-changes-for-windows-8-guess-what-they-re-still-screwing-us.aspx

jkt

Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM

Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412
336-334-5401

 

 

Just don’t get me started….

 

I am appalled that MS wants to charge an additional CAL fee to simply serve the software we already have under CA with at-home use in a much more controlled and secure fashion by serving it virtually.  There’s no reason to tack on an extra CAL, either CDL or VDA to simply use the software in a different method, and when the person leaves the University, we can stop access unlike now when it is still installed.  This makes no sense to me.  I’ve already been talking with their Licensing folks about CAL’s in general, and this just adds fuel to the fire. 

Sue

 

Sue B. Workman, Associate Vice President

Office Vice President and CIO, Indiana University

(812) 855-0913 (IU Bloomington)      (317)278-9099 (IUPUI)      (812)325-3928 (Cell)

http://uits.iu.edu/

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Knox, Marg
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:48 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] Microsoft Virtualization Licensing Change under Win8

 

I always maintain hope that enlightenment comes thru. And that we are somehow different than when corporate licensing is stalked about. I know , I know.

 

Some random initial reactions…

 

While it is nice that the Win RT will come with a CDL licensing built in (it also comes with free Office too or so I have heard) and it may well make a very nice business tablet; I do have to agree that most tablets being bought by the employee will likely be consumer tablets (mostly iPad, some Android for now) that they mangle around to do work. In the case of stipends, that might alter the choices. And certainly if folks see a significant productivity gain with RT, word can spread. But it is up against the cool juggernaut and a LOT of consumer apps. Now personally, if the form factor is good, battery life excellent (10hr), pricing good, I would consider getting a biz tablet for myself (I do hope the kindle cloud works!).

 

I am still not quite understanding the CDL vs VDA . I see some differences but…

 

And the idea that I can do it out of my office without the CDL but not in my office reminds me of the situation we find ourselves with wrt VCLs and some major applications; if you use the app in our lab on our equipment it is okay, but not okay if on personally owned student machines. I guess I can jump into the air repeatedly while using that non RT tablet on campus..it might improve my health but may be annoying in meetings.

 

Now if the licensing is too hard to understand after I spend some time trying to grasp it and if I cannot simply and cleanly explain it to the users, then I begin to look for alternatives that seem to make sense to me. For those of us on Campus Agreements, where the licensing is by person, I would probably start there. I know that does not help everyone…

 

Now we all know what OnLive did when challenged on providing Win 7 desktop, they replaced the Win 7 desktop with Windows server and then they serve up Office. While it was not this issue per se, it does offer a strategy wrt server delivered desktop windows applications. However the loss of some of the gestures that Win 7 desktop was supporting has been noted by some. I am not sure what CloudOn is using to serve up Office but I don’t see a desktop. Obviously these two examples could work in a server based environment for providing major win applications, but is there an issue if one uses an app to get to one’s own (Win 8) desktop -or am I over reading in my startlement? …

 

____________________________________________________

Margaret H. Knox                  mknox@utsystem.edu

 

Chief Information Officer (CIO)     (512)322-3774   

The University of Texas System

CTJ 2.218 78701

      

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Janice Tulloss
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:48 AM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] Microsoft Virtualization Licensing Change under Win8

 

One of my co-workers offered what he describes as this "more candid" view. 

http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2012/04/19/microsoft-announces-virtual-desktop-licensing-changes-for-windows-8-guess-what-they-re-still-screwing-us.aspx

jkt

Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM

Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412
336-334-5401

 

 

We're launching our virtual desktop, just for on-campus use so far (too many licensing issues with individual apps aside from Microsoft's), but we've been going crazy as well.  We've had different people at Microsoft tell us diametrically opposed things about licensing, which is different yet again from what our vendor understood, which convinces me they don't understand their licensing either.  We have SA under our Campus Agreement, but were at first told the devices didn't matter, and then told they did.

The idea that we even COULD track what individually owned devices people opt to bring to campus is beyond insane.

jkt


Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM
Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412
336-334-5401




Message from mknox@austin.utexas.edu

Kelly or Enoch, is there any clarity you can provide so we don’t go nuts over something that may not even be correct for higher ed etc?

 

____________________________________________________

Margaret H. Knox                  mknox@utsystem.edu

 

Chief Information Officer (CIO)     (512)322-3774   

The University of Texas System

CTJ 2.218 78701

      

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Janice Tulloss
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:07 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] Microsoft Virtualization Licensing Change under Win8

 

We're launching our virtual desktop, just for on-campus use so far (too many licensing issues with individual apps aside from Microsoft's), but we've been going crazy as well.  We've had different people at Microsoft tell us diametrically opposed things about licensing, which is different yet again from what our vendor understood, which convinces me they don't understand their licensing either.  We have SA under our Campus Agreement, but were at first told the devices didn't matter, and then told they did.

The idea that we even COULD track what individually owned devices people opt to bring to campus is beyond insane.

jkt


Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM

Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412
336-334-5401

 

 

Hi Everyone,

I recently read a Wired article that seems germane to the discussion at hand.  See http://www.wired.com/cloudline/2012/04/software-licensing-differentiator/

 

Looking forward to further clarification from Microsoft on the specific questions surfaced below.

 

Thanks,

Tom

 

 

====================================

 

Thomas Trappler, ASM

Director, UCLA Software Licensing

 

Email: trappler@oit.ucla.edu

Phone: 310-825-7516

Twitter: @ThomasTrappler

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Knox, Marg
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:13 AM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] Microsoft Virtualization Licensing Change under Win8

 

Kelly or Enoch, is there any clarity you can provide so we don’t go nuts over something that may not even be correct for higher ed etc?

 

____________________________________________________

Margaret H. Knox                  mknox@utsystem.edu

 

Chief Information Officer (CIO)     (512)322-3774   

The University of Texas System

CTJ 2.218 78701

      

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Software Licensing Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Janice Tulloss
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:07 PM
To: LICENSING@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [LICENSING] Microsoft Virtualization Licensing Change under Win8

 

We're launching our virtual desktop, just for on-campus use so far (too many licensing issues with individual apps aside from Microsoft's), but we've been going crazy as well.  We've had different people at Microsoft tell us diametrically opposed things about licensing, which is different yet again from what our vendor understood, which convinces me they don't understand their licensing either.  We have SA under our Campus Agreement, but were at first told the devices didn't matter, and then told they did.

The idea that we even COULD track what individually owned devices people opt to bring to campus is beyond insane.

jkt


Janice K. Tulloss, PhD, ASM

Software Coordinator
ITS - Client Services
202 Forney Bldg.
UNC Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412
336-334-5401

 

 

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