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We are doing some long range planning for cabling renovations in our residences. We currently deliver CATV via COAX. I was wondering if anyone had eliminated Coax and have gone to all Ethernet/IP for this purpose. This project probably wouldn’t even start until Summer of 2015 and it will probably take a summer to do each building. So I’m thinking that we should consider just eliminating the Coax.

Pete Morrissey

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We're planning on dropping CATV to the student rooms next Fall.  We've been talking about it for several years, but some building renovations and construction of a new dorm have finally pushed a decision.

- Eric
Smith College


Eric, when you drop Coax/CATV how will you be providing TV services to students?  IP based STB’s or nothing at all?

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Brewer
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 1:15 PM
To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax

 

We're planning on dropping CATV to the student rooms next Fall.  We've been talking about it for several years, but some building renovations and construction of a new dorm have finally pushed a decision.

 

- Eric

Smith College

 

We are currently delivering both CATV over COAX and over IPTV. For IPTV we are using Philo (philo.com) with good results. Philo will deliver live channels to PCs and tablets (iOS at the moment, but Android should be coming).  A Roku setup box (~$50) is needed to get the IPTV channels to a standard television. We currently deliver 72 channels via this method and 130 channels over coax.

For new residence halls going forward we do not plan to pull coax cable, though we are still at least a year out for finalizing that decision. 

David





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The plan (at least until the blowback starts hitting hard) is not to offer anything - most of the students are switching to Hulu and similar offerings anyway.  Having said that, we do plan to keep offering CATV in the common rooms, at least for the next few years.  Res Life wants to encourage the students to socialize, rather than locking themselves in their rooms all night.  


Yeah the whole Hulu/Netflix/amazon/insertfavorite thing seems to be pretty compelling for them but it breaks down when it comes to live sports. Pete M. ________________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Eric Brewer [ebrewer@SMITH.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:11 AM To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax The plan (at least until the blowback starts hitting hard) is not to offer anything - most of the students are switching to Hulu and similar offerings anyway. Having said that, we do plan to keep offering CATV in the common rooms, at least for the next few years. Res Life wants to encourage the students to socialize, rather than locking themselves in their rooms all night.

This has been an ongoing discussion here at our University.  The local cable company has lackluster offerings (few HD stations, no mobile viewing options, poor receptions for some analog stations).  We’ve been looking at solutions from Campus Televideo (http://campustelevideo.com), Swank/Residence Life Cinema (http://www.reslife.com , mainly to reduce the Netflix demand, but probably fruitless at that), and a few others including Philo now.

 

As much as I dislike the idea of providing access to cable TV, it is still a requirement for a significant portion of our population on campus.  Is anybody else providing ATSC/OTA digital TV access with a central antenna?  I know many apartment complexes offer that as the free television access and to be honest the HD quality of OTA will be far better than anything I can offer.  If I’m only trying to fill the gaps of live broadcasts (sports, news, etc), this would be a great inexpensive solution.

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Brewer
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:12 AM
To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax

 

The plan (at least until the blowback starts hitting hard) is not to offer anything - most of the students are switching to Hulu and similar offerings anyway.  Having said that, we do plan to keep offering CATV in the common rooms, at least for the next few years.  Res Life wants to encourage the students to socialize, rather than locking themselves in their rooms all night.  

 

Here at Tufts, we are at a crossroads also and over the last few months we’ve been studying the landscape of possible options to replace the ancient analog equipment.  Thanks to some of you on this thread, we have narrowed our options down as we also will be polling our students around the winter break to ensure the adoption of any service.  There are substantial OPEX costs and depending on the solution some CAPEX to be concerned about.   The biggest thing is, everyone’s student body is different and a solution Tufts might choose might not fit elsewhere. 

 

Dave

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Riffel, Brandon
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:05 AM
To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax

 

This has been an ongoing discussion here at our University.  The local cable company has lackluster offerings (few HD stations, no mobile viewing options, poor receptions for some analog stations).  We’ve been looking at solutions from Campus Televideo (http://campustelevideo.com), Swank/Residence Life Cinema (http://www.reslife.com , mainly to reduce the Netflix demand, but probably fruitless at that), and a few others including Philo now.

 

As much as I dislike the idea of providing access to cable TV, it is still a requirement for a significant portion of our population on campus.  Is anybody else providing ATSC/OTA digital TV access with a central antenna?  I know many apartment complexes offer that as the free television access and to be honest the HD quality of OTA will be far better than anything I can offer.  If I’m only trying to fill the gaps of live broadcasts (sports, news, etc), this would be a great inexpensive solution.

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Brewer
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:12 AM
To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax

 

The plan (at least until the blowback starts hitting hard) is not to offer anything - most of the students are switching to Hulu and similar offerings anyway.  Having said that, we do plan to keep offering CATV in the common rooms, at least for the next few years.  Res Life wants to encourage the students to socialize, rather than locking themselves in their rooms all night.  

 

We had been looking at Philo (formerly Tivli) for our residential aging CATV system (not HD), but the residential student governance voted not to proceed. The cost increase was negligible, so I think they were focused on other providers (Netflix/Hulu/et al). I have the same problem with our campus CATV system (it does have HD in some parts of campus), but few drops to make a business case for providers. And the content owners don't seem to be ready to let a Net+ Internet2 offering happen last I heard. -- William C. Green e-mail: green@austin.utexas.edu Director, Networking and Telecommunications phone: +1 512-475-9295 ITS (Information Technology Services) fax: +1 512-471-2449 University of Texas 1 University Station Stop C3800 Austin, TX 78712 ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
My biggest challenge with these models is the need to pay up-front for the full cost for the annual service and then try to recover costs from the students.  Very few of the providers I've found so far (coax or IP) will directly charge students for their basic service, sports packages and on-demand purchases.  I really hope that the live sport license contracts get worked out (maybe in another two or three years) to get us out of the CATV business altogether.
-Scott


Ditto for us.  I’m still waiting on Apple to reinvent the TV market J

 

Seriously though, if we could find a service that students could pay to view live sports, we would probably do away with providing anything other than over the air broadcast access.

 

William, your student body decided they didn’t want Philo?  What were their reasons?  Do you have any sort of “site license” for Hulu or Netflix? (if that is even available)

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Allen
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:46 PM
To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax

 

My biggest challenge with these models is the need to pay up-front for the full cost for the annual service and then try to recover costs from the students.  Very few of the providers I've found so far (coax or IP) will directly charge students for their basic service, sports packages and on-demand purchases.  I really hope that the live sport license contracts get worked out (maybe in another two or three years) to get us out of the CATV business altogether.

-Scott

 

We are also looking very closely at Campus Televideo. At the moment, we are still using the local cable company and they aren't cheap, even for a large contract. And our setup now requires some kind of cable box, because that local cable company only delivers encrypted digital. I can tell you, despite the Netflix, Hulu and Amazon offerings our students wait on long lines every semester to get a cablebox/dta. We're about ready to put the shovel in the ground for a new dorm. It will be cabled. -Brian -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:34 AM To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax Yeah the whole Hulu/Netflix/amazon/insertfavorite thing seems to be pretty compelling for them but it breaks down when it comes to live sports. Pete M. ________________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Eric Brewer [ebrewer@SMITH.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:11 AM To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax The plan (at least until the blowback starts hitting hard) is not to offer anything - most of the students are switching to Hulu and similar offerings anyway. Having said that, we do plan to keep offering CATV in the common rooms, at least for the next few years. Res Life wants to encourage the students to socialize, rather than locking themselves in their rooms all night.
Message from jserba@davenport.edu

We've actually abandoned our Coax trunks between our buildings and started using SM fiber.  It's eliminated the calls we get regarding poor signal, and since we always install SM fiber to any of our new buildings, we're never needing to install coax in the ground anymore.  We always pull extra fiber anyway, so it works great.

The only issue is that there's an up-front cost to get the fiber transceivers, but once you have it installed at the head end it's well worth the investment.

Josh Serba
Network Coordinator
Davenport University
p. 616.732.1164 | c. 616.318.7667


We had been looking at Philo (formerly Tivli) for our residential aging CATV system (not HD), but the residential student governance voted not to proceed. The cost increase was negligible, so I think they were focused on other providers (Netflix/Hulu/et al). I have the same problem with our campus CATV system (it does have HD in some parts of campus), but few drops to make a business case for providers. And the content owners don't seem to be ready to let a Net+ Internet2 offering happen last I heard. -- William C. Green e-mail: green@austin.utexas.edu Director, Networking and Telecommunications phone: +1 512-475-9295 ITS (Information Technology Services) fax: +1 512-471-2449 University of Texas 1 University Station Stop C3800 Austin, TX 78712 ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
My biggest challenge with these models is the need to pay up-front for the full cost for the annual service and then try to recover costs from the students.  Very few of the providers I've found so far (coax or IP) will directly charge students for their basic service, sports packages and on-demand purchases.  I really hope that the live sport license contracts get worked out (maybe in another two or three years) to get us out of the CATV business altogether.
-Scott


Ditto for us.  I’m still waiting on Apple to reinvent the TV market J

 

Seriously though, if we could find a service that students could pay to view live sports, we would probably do away with providing anything other than over the air broadcast access.

 

William, your student body decided they didn’t want Philo?  What were their reasons?  Do you have any sort of “site license” for Hulu or Netflix? (if that is even available)

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Allen
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:46 PM
To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax

 

My biggest challenge with these models is the need to pay up-front for the full cost for the annual service and then try to recover costs from the students.  Very few of the providers I've found so far (coax or IP) will directly charge students for their basic service, sports packages and on-demand purchases.  I really hope that the live sport license contracts get worked out (maybe in another two or three years) to get us out of the CATV business altogether.

-Scott

 

We are also looking very closely at Campus Televideo. At the moment, we are still using the local cable company and they aren't cheap, even for a large contract. And our setup now requires some kind of cable box, because that local cable company only delivers encrypted digital. I can tell you, despite the Netflix, Hulu and Amazon offerings our students wait on long lines every semester to get a cablebox/dta. We're about ready to put the shovel in the ground for a new dorm. It will be cabled. -Brian -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:34 AM To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax Yeah the whole Hulu/Netflix/amazon/insertfavorite thing seems to be pretty compelling for them but it breaks down when it comes to live sports. Pete M. ________________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Eric Brewer [ebrewer@SMITH.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:11 AM To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax The plan (at least until the blowback starts hitting hard) is not to offer anything - most of the students are switching to Hulu and similar offerings anyway. Having said that, we do plan to keep offering CATV in the common rooms, at least for the next few years. Res Life wants to encourage the students to socialize, rather than locking themselves in their rooms all night.
Message from jserba@davenport.edu

We've actually abandoned our Coax trunks between our buildings and started using SM fiber.  It's eliminated the calls we get regarding poor signal, and since we always install SM fiber to any of our new buildings, we're never needing to install coax in the ground anymore.  We always pull extra fiber anyway, so it works great.

The only issue is that there's an up-front cost to get the fiber transceivers, but once you have it installed at the head end it's well worth the investment.

Josh Serba
Network Coordinator
Davenport University
p. 616.732.1164 | c. 616.318.7667


We had been looking at Philo (formerly Tivli) for our residential aging CATV system (not HD), but the residential student governance voted not to proceed. The cost increase was negligible, so I think they were focused on other providers (Netflix/Hulu/et al). I have the same problem with our campus CATV system (it does have HD in some parts of campus), but few drops to make a business case for providers. And the content owners don't seem to be ready to let a Net+ Internet2 offering happen last I heard. -- William C. Green e-mail: green@austin.utexas.edu Director, Networking and Telecommunications phone: +1 512-475-9295 ITS (Information Technology Services) fax: +1 512-471-2449 University of Texas 1 University Station Stop C3800 Austin, TX 78712 ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
My biggest challenge with these models is the need to pay up-front for the full cost for the annual service and then try to recover costs from the students.  Very few of the providers I've found so far (coax or IP) will directly charge students for their basic service, sports packages and on-demand purchases.  I really hope that the live sport license contracts get worked out (maybe in another two or three years) to get us out of the CATV business altogether.
-Scott


Ditto for us.  I’m still waiting on Apple to reinvent the TV market J

 

Seriously though, if we could find a service that students could pay to view live sports, we would probably do away with providing anything other than over the air broadcast access.

 

William, your student body decided they didn’t want Philo?  What were their reasons?  Do you have any sort of “site license” for Hulu or Netflix? (if that is even available)

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Allen
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:46 PM
To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax

 

My biggest challenge with these models is the need to pay up-front for the full cost for the annual service and then try to recover costs from the students.  Very few of the providers I've found so far (coax or IP) will directly charge students for their basic service, sports packages and on-demand purchases.  I really hope that the live sport license contracts get worked out (maybe in another two or three years) to get us out of the CATV business altogether.

-Scott

 

We are also looking very closely at Campus Televideo. At the moment, we are still using the local cable company and they aren't cheap, even for a large contract. And our setup now requires some kind of cable box, because that local cable company only delivers encrypted digital. I can tell you, despite the Netflix, Hulu and Amazon offerings our students wait on long lines every semester to get a cablebox/dta. We're about ready to put the shovel in the ground for a new dorm. It will be cabled. -Brian -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:34 AM To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax Yeah the whole Hulu/Netflix/amazon/insertfavorite thing seems to be pretty compelling for them but it breaks down when it comes to live sports. Pete M. ________________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Network Management Constituent Group Listserv [NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Eric Brewer [ebrewer@SMITH.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:11 AM To: NETMAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [NETMAN] Future of CATV over Coax The plan (at least until the blowback starts hitting hard) is not to offer anything - most of the students are switching to Hulu and similar offerings anyway. Having said that, we do plan to keep offering CATV in the common rooms, at least for the next few years. Res Life wants to encourage the students to socialize, rather than locking themselves in their rooms all night.
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