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Problems with new Apple Laptops

June 24, 2013 | Garry Peirce

This thread seems filled with 'me too' type comments more than anything else.

Anyone on the list have any firsthand or more detailed info?

Working on a project with a large # of them, so I'm interested ; I just don't have in hand yet.

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Non-802.1x devices on wireless...

June 4, 2013 | Andy Poirier

Tim,

In regards to your open SSID, how do you sway everyone from just jumping on that instead of using eduroam? Do you worry at all about someone sniffing the wireless traffic and getting someone else’s MAC address and then changing theirs to avoid registration?

Andy Poirier

Network Administrator

North Central University

612-343-4758

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RF interference from 802.11

June 4, 2013 | Julian Y. Koh

Has anyone had to deal with researchers claiming that 802.11 RF causes interference with their laboratory experiments and apparatus? We're getting rumblings out of our Physics department - they are trying to prevent APs from getting installed in their area because of what they say are highly sensitive devices that will be adversely affected. My personal opinion is....well, I'll withhold that for now. Anyone gone through this? Thanks in advance! -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: PGP Public Key: ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

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Vocera vs. Microwave

June 4, 2013 | Listserv Anonymous User

Message from curtis.k.larsen@utah.edu

We had some voice degradation problems with Vocera in a clinical setting where there was a breakroom with an old microwave right next to areas where Vocera was used heavily. We duplicated the problem by turning the microwave on. I suggested maybe buying a new microwave that would hopefully not be so leaky. They bought a new microwave, but it was just as bad as the first. I remember years ago I had a microwave at home that didn't seem to interfere at all when I did spectrum analysis - I just don't remember what brand or model it was. Anyway, I've been asked to see if I can find any microwave ovens that are more Wi-Fi friendly. Besides going to appliance stores and asking to do spectrum analysis I am not sure how I could find these. Has anyone else researched this or found any brand or model that seems to contain the radiation better than another? If so, let me know. Thanks, Curtis ********** Participation and subscription...

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Windows 8.1 to feature internet tethering, native Miracast wireless display support

June 4, 2013 | Trent Hurt

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/03/windows-8-1-features/

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7Signal- anyone?

May 31, 2013 | Lee Badman

Hello to the group,

I know that this has been discussed before, but I’m coming back around to it. I’m intrigued by 7signal.com and see attractive aspects to their approach, but find myself struggling with:

Pricing- Seems incredibly expensive

What’s really being delivered- we are a CleanAir environment, so much of 7Signal would be duplicitous in function, and so far I can’t tell all what one is delivering that the other leaves out

What 7Signal expects you to do to optimize- there are locations where APs cannot be moved, there are groups of clients that you are likely not going to easily pin down for driver updates, etc, and only so many system settings you can tweak without creating other issues

Deployment model- given that Eyes themselves need to be cabled, it’s not exactly easy...

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eduroam best practices?

May 29, 2013 | Listserv Anonymous User

Message from cwieri39@calvin.edu

There is a recently formed netplus-eduroam-admins listserv created by the eduroam-US organization to discuss technical problems like this, and it recently has been having a very similar conversation about required RADIUS attributes, etc. (See https://lists.internet2.edu/sympa/info/netplus-eduroam-admins ) It does seem to me that there aren't a ton of specifics about what exactly are the required attributes for eduroam-US proxying to work correctly. You can google search to find some recommendations from other top-level administrators ( like eduroam-UK at ...

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Controlling Bonjour Zones

May 29, 2013 | Bruce Osborne

Aruba’s AirGroup is not vaporware, but is currently only available as a special technology release. The feature is scheduled to be released in a GA release later this year.

Aruba forked their code so they could develop this feature without impacting their main GA releases. They then merge the tested changes back into the GA release. Aruba followed a similar process when they developed their current Remote AP technology.

Bruce Osborne

Network Engineer

IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

Liberty University | Training Champions for Christ since 1971

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Powerline ethernet as uplink to an outdoor access point

May 27, 2013 | Adam Forsyth

Has anyone tried to use a powerline ethernet product as a backhaul to an outdoor wireless access point? The thought crossed my mind today that that might be a possibility. The remote AP can be powered by a light pole and electrical service to that light comes from a breaker inside one of our buildings. If the uplink came from the same place the power does, that would make the installation a lot simpler I think. Now that I've had the idea, I wonder...is this a good idea or a bad idea?
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Luther College

Library and Information Services

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Wow vision veos: Will products using Miracast be an alternative?

May 24, 2013 | Barron Hulver

Will products using Miracast take hold and be an alternative? http://www.wi-fi.org/wi-fi-certified-miracast%E2%84%A2 Barron Barron Hulver Director of Networking, Operations, and Systems Center for Information Technology Oberlin College 148 West College Street Oberlin, OH 44074 440-775-8702 http://www2.oberlin.edu/staff/bhulver/ On 5/24/13 10:23 PM, Jeff Kell wrote: > I guess the $64K question is... Is this more viable than Bonjour/AppleTV ? > > We're desperately seeking an alternative to the growing tide that wants > just that... > > Jeff > > On 5/24/2013 10:18 PM, Walter Reynolds wrote: >> >> We talked to a re-seller today and were underwhelmed by this. There >> is no...

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Solution for windows wireless problems?

May 23, 2013 | Peter Morrissey

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2039587/ericsson-makes-bus-windows-part-of-a-wifi-network.html

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Wow vision veos

May 22, 2013 | Merideth Drudge

We implemented one of these VEOS units in a classroom last fall. It's pretty neat, but I found the emphasis on wireless to be misleading. The unit itself does not have wireless; it connects to your network via wired ethernet. I think the point is that wireless laptops can visit the VEOS unit via http and download the client, and then a student or guest can then share their screen over the projector. As long as wireless clients can get to the IP address given to the VEOS, then there is no configuration on the network. I hope that this helps.

Thanks,

Merideth

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Aruba 6.1.3.7

May 13, 2013 | Michael Hulko

We have an open case with Aruba on a power issue with the 5Ghz PA when the AP is in Hybrid mode for Spectrum Monitoring. This causes (iin our case) the POE switch to reset the port as it sees the AP asking for more current than negotiated. This action resets the AP and all clients are lost which interpreted to our Helpdesk as intermittent connectivity. Since disabling the Spectrum Monitoring, we have not experienced any further disruptions. We have several controllers running 6.1.3.7 and several running on 6.2.1.0.

Another problem has surfaced for us recently with MAC OSx, in that 10.8.3/.4 may have keychain issues once more with 802.1x authentication. Has anyone else run into this. Of all the complaints, the version has always been 10.8.3 or higher ( it may have been prevelent on earlier versions as well). Testing has shown that removing the entry in the Keychain resolves the problem for short time, but that is only...

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T2 Ticketing System

May 9, 2013 | Roger Schwartz

Is anyone using T2 ticketing system with existing wireless network. We use 802.1x auth and the devices go to sleep and causes the ticketing officers issues to reconnect. What other solutions has anyone come up with for these devices?

Any suggestions are appreciated.

Roger

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The original creator of this list has left us...

May 6, 2013 | Philippe Hanset

It is with a lot of sorrow that I'm announcing to this list that our friend and colleague Dewitt Latimer

has passed away.

http://www.kpax.com/news/msu-chief-information-officer-killed-in-motorcycle-crash/

Dewitt created the wireless-lan list out of University of Tennessee then transferred it to Educause.

One could always count on Dewitt to share his passion for IT and Wireless in particular.

Please keep Dewitt's family in your thoughts and prayers,

Philippe

Philippe Hanset

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Apple produccts in a multi-vendor environment

May 6, 2013 | Bruce Entwistle

We are currently installing some Aruba APs on our campus which has been fully covered by a Cisco wireless network. Both systems are controller based installations, Cisco 5508 Aruba 7210, and both authenticate users against our Cisco ACS server. Both wireless systems are broadcasting the same SSSIDs to provide a common experience for the users. We have run into a situation where all devices connect to both networks without user intervention, except for Apple devices, which request the users accept the certificate from our ACS server. We have run tests using the same device and user ID on both network, but each time the apple device connects to the Aruba network the user is prompted to accept the certificate. We are trying to install the second system without having the users notice any changes. Has anyone had a similar experience they are willing to share.

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Student devices

May 3, 2013 | LaMarr Baucom

I was curious how you all handle student devices on your campus side. Do you guys use a dedicated SSID? Is it open, encrypted, are you using 802.1x? Any other details would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

LaMarr Baucom
Wireless Network Engineer
Murray State University
(270) 809-2299
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Query

May 2, 2013 | Listserv Anonymous User

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RFP/requirements for replacing campus wireless infrastructure

May 2, 2013 | Harvard C. Townsend

We are considering a forklift replacement of our Meru wireless infrastructure since a significant portion of it is approaching end-of-support life (all the controllers and over 2/3s of the APs) and we’ve had our share of problems with Meru. I was wondering if any of you who have recently re-bid your wireless have a set of requirements or an RFP you would be willing to share – either publicly to the list or privately to me directly – so I’m not starting from scratch.

FWIW, we currently have six MC3000 controllers and 424 APs providing ubiquitous indoor coverage (admittedly with some weak spots). Bradford Network Sentry provides the NAC (wired and wireless). I do not intend to have a full site survey done as part of the bid, but will increase density in some known problem locations. I also lean toward continuing with the controller-based/thin-AP...

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multiple ssid's and campus access

May 2, 2013 | Roger Schwartz

I am looking for ideas to reduce the number of ssid's we advertise on our campus, faculty/staff, student, mobile, eduroam and guest. I know some folks have gone to just eduroam, if you have, what security do you have on the vlan, do users vpn back to the campus network, etc. We are looking at some form of Identity Service to push users into particular vlans, and that isn't working that great at this time. So what are you doing or going to be doing to resolve this type of issue.

Any and all comments, suggestions are welcome

Roger

Senior Wireless Network Technician

University of Tennessee Health Science Center

Memphis, Tennessee

rschwart@uthsc.edu

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You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.

December 16, 2011 | Listserv Anonymous User

Message from neil-johnson@uiowa.edu

We have a request to support Airplay/Apple TV's on our enterprise network so that instructors can mirror presentations from their iPad's to classroom and meeting room projectors. For performance reasons, we suppress multicast on our wireless networks and to conserve IP address space we dynamically assign users to wireless subnets so that two devices in a room may be on different IP subnets. So for right now it's not possible on our network. Of course the next question we get asked is if instructors can bring in their own "temporary" access points to do this. I'm wondering what other institutions responses are to request like these? Do you have an official policy? Thanks. -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-johnson@uiowa.edu ********** Participation and subscription information...

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Wireless and health issues

January 7, 2013 | Gonzalo Cervantes

You can look up the FCC regulations and/or ask your wireless vendor to provide a copy. I tried doing a brief search and didn't get much.

Thanks,

Gonzalo Cervantes

Associate Director, Network Services

Barnard College

Elliott Hall Lower Level
www.barnard.edu/bcit
eMail: gcervantes@barnard.edu
Tel: 212-854-8795
Fax: 212-854-3606

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Xpressconnect and Windows 8

October 24, 2012 | Peter Morrissey

I’m curious if anyone has gotten Windows 8 devices configured for 1x, using Xpressconnect. I realize there are lots of issues with
Windows 8 drivers that make this complicated, so I’m just wondering how it is working when the drivers are capable.

Thanks,

Pete Morrissey

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Question about the signal strength of cisco Aironet 3602E on 5GHz

April 30, 2013 | Listserv Anonymous User

Message from jarhelz@umich.edu

Hi. Are you using RRM to manage the radios? If so what is the reported power output RRM is setting? If you manually set power to max do you get a performance increase? We have both 3602i and 3602e series with dipoles you mention with no issues. We are running 7.2 code currently but plan to goto 7.5 later this summer.

-Jimmy

University of Michigan

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Very high number of wireless devices returning from break

January 26, 2012 | Listserv Anonymous User

Message from donald_wright@brown.edu

All,

It seems an alarmingly high number of wireless devices have returned to our campus this week. After at least of year of steadily increasing numbers, we are now seeing a roughly 40% increase since last December. At first I didn't believe what I was seeing and opened a case with the vendor to confirm reporting was accurate. Tied into this, we upgraded by a major version earlier this month and I thought this could be related. Apparently not the case, everything we've looked at tells us that the numbers are accurate. I'm still looking a stats, but haven't been able to come up with anything yet.

Is anyone else seeing this magnitude of increase in devices over winter break ?

Don Wright

Brown University

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students per AP in residence halls

January 11, 2013 | Tom O'Donnell

I was wondering what other schools have for a ratio of students to AP's in the residence halls, either definitely or approximately? If you have such a number, how do you count dual-band AP's? They're doing more than a 2.4GHz AP, but not quite as much as two AP's. Then one last related question... Would anyone know their relative mix of 2.4GHz vs. 5GHz connections in residence halls? Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------- Tom O'Donnell Senior Manager of Network and Server Systems Information Technology Services University of Maine at Farmington (207) 778-7336 ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

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Disabling 802.11b speeds

September 27, 2012 | Listserv Anonymous User

Message from tmh9@msstate.edu

This has been discussed in the past, but it has been a long time. We're at the point that we have to turn off the lower connection rates on our campus. I'm curious what other schools have done and the positive/negative results from the changes. We have disabled 1, 2, 5.5, and 11 Mbps in some of our buildings with great success, but some might argue to just eliminate 1 & 2 Mbps rates. Also, I'd be interested to hear from schools that have not disabled these rates and why not. -- Todd M. Hall Sr. Network Analyst Information Technology Services Mississippi State University tmh9@msstate.edu ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

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Apple Petition

July 6, 2012 | William C. Green

Today it is AppleTV, tomorrow it will be a different device/use/software. The underlying issue, as others have noted, is the Bonjour resource discovery mechanism, what Apple likely needs is a directory service. Once that is solved, the problem will then shift to authentication/authorization/accounting and scalability. I'd suggest:

That Apple create non-Bonjour/non-multicast discovery mechanisms that scale in large enterprise environments.

That Apple integrate their offerings with enterprise AAA services.

-William

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New Cisco Wireless Gear - 5760WLC & Cat3850

January 29, 2013 | Daniel Eklund

As I've said recently, I really wish that there was a standard that all APs would use and all controllers would use so that they could all talk together. I know this is probably unlikely to happen, but we have interoperable wired networks and I just wish the same for the wireless side. Maybe a universal controller is more realistic, something that understands how to talk to all types of APs.

Daniel Eklund

Network Planning Manager

ITS Communications Systems and Data Centers

University of Michigan

734.763.6389

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You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)

July 5, 2012 | Listserv Anonymous User

Message from neil-johnson@uiowa.edu

I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass):

Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks.

Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority):

That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that:
That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled...

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Student devices

May 3, 2013 | LaMarr Baucom

I was curious how you all handle student devices on your campus side. Do you guys use a dedicated SSID? Is it open, encrypted, are you using 802.1x? Any other details would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

LaMarr Baucom
Wireless Network Engineer
Murray State University
(270) 809-2299
lamarr.baucom@murraystate.edu

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Multi vendor interoperability on Campus

May 1, 2013 | Listserv Anonymous User

Message from jtodd@westernu.edu

Bruce,

Are the clients matching different policies on the ACS server depending on what wireless system they are connected to? If so each policy may be using a different certificate and freaking out the Apple clients when they cross systems.

Jason

Jason Todd

Network Security Officer

Western University of Health Sciences

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Microsoft Surface WiFi issue

April 24, 2013 | Tom Zeller

I'm no longer directly involved in the WiFi here, but I was helping someone with a Microsoft Surface (Intel version) that is perfectly up-to-date. My Mac Air WiFi worked perfectly with our Aruba AP throughout the exercise. His would connect, get DHCP, get a lease renewal in five min (ten min lease) and a few minutes later Windows would tell him he had "limited" Internet, but in fact he could only ping his own IP and not the router (that's pretty limited!). The WiFi bars icon never wavered. I'm suspecting a failure to renegotiate keys. Anyone else seeing Surface WiFi issues? Tom Zeller Senior Technology Analyst Indiana University zeller@indiana.edu (812) 855-6214 > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

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eduroam question(s)

November 12, 2012 | Julian Y. Koh

So we're looking at an eduroam deployment here, and one question that has come up is one of credentials. Here at NU, we have 2 identifiers - the NetID and the alias. All of the directories and the like are keyed off of the NetID, which does not have to be the same as the alias. Top-level email addresses take the form @northwestern.edu. Under a basic default eduroam deployment, a user would use @northwestern.edu as his/her username to authenticate to the wireless network. This is not 100% ideal from an end user point of view, though, since that could potentially lead to some confusion since at least here, netid rarely is the same as alias. Obviously, at some schools, netid = alias, so this is a moot point, but have other schools encountered support/documentation issues because of this? As an alternative, has anyone looking into using a subdomain for the realm? i.e., @eduroam.northwestern.edu? I tried going through the FAQs and documentation at , and there is some mention...

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Wireless only dorms, advice?

January 18, 2012 | Sara Laird

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who has moved to wireless only dorms. We have fast track dorm construction project that is starting and our CIO would like to make it wireless only. I am wondering if anyone has done this and if so what kind of advice or comments can you share. We will be using Cisco waps. Also I am wondering what kind of ratio you based your access points on, how many devises per person.

Best Regards,

Sara

Sara M. Laird

Network Administrator

Mount Saint Mary's University

301.447.5014

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Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

January 31, 2012 | Dan Brisson

I'm curious if any Cisco users out there are experiencing or have experienced what we're seeing on our campus. This past summer we installed 3502i's in all of our residence halls - approximately 500 total. Ever since the students have moved in, we will get messages from WCS stating that "AP XYZ" is down and disassociated from the controller. When I check out the AP, the uptime is fine, but the "CAPWAP join time" is for like 30 seconds, or however long it took me to check. We've tracked this and it is totally random as to what AP will drop, which makes troubleshooting this very tough. The log on the AP isn't helpful. I'm working with TAC who suggests that keepalives are getting missed. I'm not sure why that would be the case since we have another 500 or so APs on the admin side that very rarely drop. Adding to that, when the students left for break, the AP drops stopped. They came back, and sure enough, the drops start up again. I will say that the AP always...

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Residence Hall Wireless survey

February 20, 2013 | Julian Y. Koh

Greetings all! The recent thread on residence hall AP placement, coupled with our own performance issues that we are getting reports on from the residence halls, has prompted me to throw together another survey so that we can present some data to our Student Affairs department as to what other schools are doing in this space. Our own issues that we are seeing are the familiar ones of co-channel interference due to APs in hallways, rogue APs, higher/lower signal attenuation leading to bad coverage/performance, and an overall higher level of client device density. is the URL for the survey. We will be collecting results through Friday, February 22. Thanks in advance for any feedback that you can provide! Please note that I am not a professional survey writer, so any structural deficiencies in the survey and/or the questions are completely my fault. :) -- Julian Y. Koh Manager, Network Transport, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University...

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SSIDs, devices and guests

January 19, 2012 | Bob Williamson

We are a small(ish) boarding school (K-12) with around 100 boarders. We are located in a residential neighborhood with a lot of homes very close to the school. Management wants an SSID for guests which does not require a password. My corporate reaction is “that is crazy”. My secondary/new to academia reaction is “why not”.

If the guests network is completely separated from the internal network, severely limited in bandwidth, web filtered, protocol/applications blocked etc. Who cares? The only potential issue I could see is web filtering can’t stop everything.

Then there is the whole question of how to handle “personal devices” for staff and students. Any thought on that would be appreciated as well. Thinking of hidden SSID (simply to make it...

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4-channels in 2.4 GHz

May 8, 2012 | Lee Badman

With no intent to open a conversational can 'o worms, I'm curious if anyone is running a 4-channel plan on their production WLANs, that is willing to share their opinions and experiences on the topic.

Thanks-

Lee

Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS
Adjunct Instructor, iSchool
Syracuse University
315.443.3003

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FreeRADIUS performance question

August 22, 2012 | James P. Gogan

A question for folks with relatively large 802.1x (greater than 15,000 unique clients) wi-fi deployment (EAP-TTLS) with a FreeRADIUS infrastructure using Kerberos as the backend authentication …..

- how many FreeRADIUS servers do you deploy?, and

- have you changed any of the default eap.con/radius.conf performance parameters/values?

The good news is that we've started the year with a lot more folks finally using the 802.1x network than the last academic year.

The bad news is that we're getting long delays in connecting/authenticating -- not just a wireless issue as we're also getting lots of "RADIUS server FAILED" traps from our VPN concentrators throughout the day since the semester started (using the same RADIUS servers as the 1x wireless deployment)

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