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Inter-Campus Wifi & GPS Tracking
Message from zachary.mcgibbon@mcgill.ca
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Last year there was some discussion on this list as per setting up Wifi on Inter-Campus shuttle buses and here at McGill we were in the middle of doing our tests for our 4 shuttle buses between our downtown and remote campus.
As of January this year, we now have Wifi on all four of the buses. We are using a setup of:
- Aruba AP70
- Bluetree BT-6801EB Modem (3G)
- Axis T8122 DC 30W Midspan (to power the AP)
- Oberon 1025-00 NMEA enclosure
We chose the Axis POE injector since the Aruba AP only has a 5v input and we are running directly off the alternator of the bus which gives us 12vdc.
One of the next parts of the project we would like to do is to add GPS tracking to the bus so students would know how close the bus is (as it gets quite cold here in Montreal during the winter!). Since there is a second Ethernet port available on the
AP70, we thought of using this for the GPS, however I can’t find any Ethernet GPS’.
Does anyone have any ideas of what we could use? I had thought about getting a Garmin OEM GPS with a serial port output connected to a Lantronix Serial to Ethernet box and sending back the NMEA strings to a server, however I wanted to find an all included
Ethernet solution and not have to worry about powering and configuring two devices.
Also, if we did use the OEM solution with NMEA strings, I’d have to find some way of plotting these on a map (Google Maps would be preferable) and this would probably require a lot of in house programming, or of course we could just use APRS.
Thanks
Zachary McGibbon
Network Specialist / McGill NCS
Email: zachary.mcgibbon@mcgill.ca
Office: (514) 398-7388

















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This sounds fun. On our end, we found that the bus provider wasn’t real interested, and then they ended up doing it themselves. Go figure.
What about leveraging the USB port on the modem, for the likes of the USGLOBALSAT or Garmin GPS that connect via USB? I don’t know that it could be done, but it’s another interface to consider.
-Lee
My first instinct would be to try to do this with old iphones. They have GPS and WiFi. It would be easy enough to wire them to 12v with a cigarette lighter charger. And if none of the apps on the appstore will work for tracking, it shouldn’t be too hard to roll your own.
B.
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Thus spake Zachary McGibbon, Mr (zachary.mcgibbon@MCGILL.CA) on Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 04:27:37PM +0000: > > One of the next parts of the project we would like to do is to add GPS tracking to the bus so students would know how close the bus is (as it gets quite cold here in Montreal during the winter!). Since there is a second Ethernet port available on the AP70, we thought of using this for the GPS, however I can't find any Ethernet GPS'. > > Does anyone have any ideas of what we could use? I had thought about getting a Garmin OEM GPS with a serial port output connected to a Lantronix Serial to Ethernet box and sending back the NMEA strings to a server, however I wanted to find an all included Ethernet solution and not have to worry about powering and configuring two devices. This sounds like a perfect application for an Arduino connected to a Parallax GPS. http://arduino.cc/playground/Tutorials/GPS Maybe you could find some electrical engineering students to build it as a project :-) Otherwise, as you mention something based on APRS could work too. Dale ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
I haven't followed this in awhile, but the geograhics lab at Bridgewater State University looks like there still doing this:
www.blirpit.com
Lynne Meeks
University of Vermont
On 2/1/2012 11:56 AM, Dale W. Carder wrote: ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Sweet! It seems like one challenge would be the devices would constantly be resetting every time the bus stops running if you are powered directly off the alternator? Has that caused any issues? On top of that it seems like you would be dealing with some environmental extremes that you wouldn’t normally have depending upon how it is all housed.
Pete M.
Our local metro service (CARTA) added WiFi on their buses several years ago. It took several weeks and some co-incidental problem reporting to discover that when the buses drove through campus (we're bordered by several main city avenues) anyone on the bus using their wireless would be dropped.
We were doing rogue AP detection and mitigation at the time :)
Jeff
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We do not have wireless on ouir bus system (contracted out). But the busses do have GPSs with Web access and a phone app. See http://ua.transloc.com/
If interested, I could drag up a contact for you.
-jcw
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John Watters UA: OIT 205-348-3992
We don’t’ seem to have any issues with the bus turning on and off, I was worried that maybe one day the Aruba might lose its config (as I’ve seen them do that sometimes).
As for environmental, we had thought about putting in a thermostat to turn on the power only when a certain temp was reached, but we decided to just have it power up when the bus starts. So far this winter it hasn’t been very cold, but if it does get cold we’ll see how the equipment reacts.
The housing we’re using also should make sure that the equipment warms up pretty quickly.
Some pictures of our enclosures are on our Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/McGill-University-Wi-Fi/130266517039196
Zachary McGibbon
Network Specialist / McGill NCS
Email: zachary.mcgibbon@mcgill.ca
Office: (514) 398-7388
One of the network engineers I work with came up with this link for promising GPS products.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=157&ra=true
It does not show any products for Canada – English, though. Canada French is not even an option to select. L
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