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We're piloting a VDI deployment, and I just got blindsided by my server team.  I'm looking for some ideas.

The VDI deployment has been "sold" to management with location based printing.  "It slices, It dices, It knows where you are and will select the appropriate printer for you"

This works all well and good in the labs and desktop replacements because it's all subnet based.  If "Endpoint X is in Subnet Y, map Printer Z"

This falls over with a tremendous bang when your using wireless.   We're currently using Cisco Wireless, with a couple controllers, with all the access points tunneling the traffic back to the controllers.  Means, without fail, almost everyone everywhere has the same address.  Especially if you roam to another building, or a different part of big building.

The next big push with VDI is moving to the BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) and the IPad users are lining up.

So anyone using Cisco Wireless done any sort of location based printing on the wireless?  We do own a location appliance.  I know that new Aruba feature (AirGroup) is looking mighty tempting right now.

Mike
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Message from bosborne@liberty.edu

Mike,

 

I think Aruba’s AirGroup will be interesting too when it is finally released. It is currently in alpha status, I believe. According to their tech brief

 

http://www.arubanetworks.com/pdf/technology/TB_AirGroupWLANServices.pdf

 

it appears Aruba is initially planning on using AP association for determining location. Perhaps they can incorporate their AP grouping feature so this would work better in dense environments.

 

At Liberty University, we are an all-Cisco shop but we have found Aruba’s wireless products to be more feature rich and less expensive that Cisco’s offerings. We have also found Aruba’s technical support to be exceptional, especially when compared to our Cisco support experiences with their fat APs.

 

I know that if there is a feature we absolutely require, Aruba will work with us to develop it. They did that to enable us to offer our IPTV services on our wireless network.

 

If you start with Aruba’s AirWave product, you can manage Cisco as well as Aruba APs from one management server.

 

Bruce Osborne

Network Engineer

IT Network Services

 

(434) 592-4229

 

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY

Training Champions for Christ since 1971

 

From: Mike King [mailto:me@MPKING.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:21 PM
Subject: Location Based Printing

 

We're piloting a VDI deployment, and I just got blindsided by my server team.  I'm looking for some ideas.

 

The VDI deployment has been "sold" to management with location based printing.  "It slices, It dices, It knows where you are and will select the appropriate printer for you"


This works all well and good in the labs and desktop replacements because it's all subnet based.  If "Endpoint X is in Subnet Y, map Printer Z"

 

This falls over with a tremendous bang when your using wireless.   We're currently using Cisco Wireless, with a couple controllers, with all the access points tunneling the traffic back to the controllers.  Means, without fail, almost everyone everywhere has the same address.  Especially if you roam to another building, or a different part of big building.

 

The next big push with VDI is moving to the BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) and the IPad users are lining up.

 

So anyone using Cisco Wireless done any sort of location based printing on the wireless?  We do own a location appliance.  I know that new Aruba feature (AirGroup) is looking mighty tempting right now.

 

Mike

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Message from jandrewartha@ccgs.wa.edu.au

I think Aruba’s AirGroup will be interesting too when it is finally released. It is currently in alpha status, I believe. According to their tech brief 

http://www.arubanetworks.com/pdf/technology/TB_AirGroupWLANServices.pdf

it appears Aruba is initially planning on using AP association for determining location. Perhaps they can incorporate their AP grouping feature so this would work better in dense environments.

At Liberty University, we are an all-Cisco shop but we have found Aruba’s wireless products to be more feature rich and less expensive that Cisco’s offerings. We have also found Aruba’s technical support to be exceptional, especially when compared to our Cisco support experiences with their fat APs.

Reading the tech brief, it uses Clear Pass policy manager (previously Avenda eTIPS), so you could probably do something similar with Cisco ISE or Enterasys policy manager with some hackery. Obviously a well-engineerd product beats general hacks any day.

-- 
James Andrewartha
Network & Projects Engineer
Christ Church Grammar School
Claremont, Western Australia
Ph. (08) 9442 1757
Mob. 0424 160 877
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You don’t have to use CPPM if you are setting up static printers and media devices. There will be AirGroup functionality in the base code. CP will allow dynamic setup such as an AppleTV in a dorm room where only the student who owns it should have access to it.

 

 

Tim Cappalli, ACMP CCNA | (802) 626-6456

Office of Information Technology (OIT) | Lyndon

» cappalli@lyndonstate.edu | oit.lyndonstate.edu

 

 

Message from kohster@northwestern.edu

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Mike,

For wireless, we use "release based printing".
No one knows where you are better than you ;-)
You can send a print job from anywhere you want. It goes to a print queue.
(the print queue has also the advantage to do accounting/person)
To release the print job at the right location, you have to authenticate to the printer on site (small workstation attached to the printer). There are also commercial solutions for this like: WEPA. https://www.wepanow.com/

This doesn't work for private printers of course, only for institution based printers.

Philippe


Philippe Hanset
Univ. of TN, Knoxville




We've gone completely paperless and retired all of our printers. What? Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 ________________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Hanset, Philippe C [phanset@UTK.EDU] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:36 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Location Based Printing Mike, For wireless, we use "release based printing". No one knows where you are better than you ;-) You can send a print job from anywhere you want. It goes to a print queue. (the print queue has also the advantage to do accounting/person) To release the print job at the right location, you have to authenticate to the printer on site (small workstation attached to the printer). There are also commercial solutions for this like: WEPA. https://www.wepanow.com/ This doesn't work for private printers of course, only for institution based printers. Philippe Philippe Hanset Univ. of TN, Knoxville www.eduroamus.org

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