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Colleagues:

See the below invitation for the etext/electronic textbooks pilot being offered by Internet2 and EDUCAUSE for Fall 2012.  

This is a great opportunity for institutions that are interested in developing an etext model for its students and faculty.

Nik Osborne
Indiana University

We invite your institution to participate in an innovative and important electronic-textbook pilot Internet2 and EDUCAUSE are undertaking for this fall. Institutions that participate in the pilot will be helping higher education collectively to demonstrate new etexts models.

In brief,
  • participating institutions pay a flat fee to Internet2,
  • students registered in specified classes or sections get access to electronic textbooks from at least one major publisher,
  • those students get access to a multi-platform e-reader which can be used by students in the specified classes or sections to read, highlight, and annotate their electronic textbooks (the institution may also use the e-reader for certain other purposes), and
  • the e-reader uses existing authentication mechanisms (such as the institution's LMS or student system) to confirm students' registration.
More detail on the pilot is online in a Prospectus and Invitation athttp://gregj.us/GILenV. The pilot is limited to 50 institutions.

If your institution wishes to join this pilot, you must email etext-pilot@internet2.edu to let us know this by April 7, 2012. You must confirm the institution's agreement with the pilot's conditions by April 15.

We hope that you will agree to participate!

Greg Jackson
Vice President, EDUCAUSE

Jerry Grochow
Interim Vice President for NET+ Services, Internet2
===== 
********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

Comments

Does anyone know whether this invitation is available to Canadian universities?

 

Thanks

Jennifer

 

 

The invitation is to any institution that is a EDUCAUSE or I2 member.

Nik


Message from ron@ahead.org

How is the accessibility of these materials being insured?

 

Ron Stewart

 

What will be the role of the campus bookstore in this etextbook pilot?

 

Jeff Nelson

BGSU

 

 

 

From: Osborne, Nik [mailto:nosborne@IU.EDU]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Colleagues:

 

See the below invitation for the etext/electronic textbooks pilot being offered by Internet2 and EDUCAUSE for Fall 2012.  

 

This is a great opportunity for institutions that are interested in developing an etext model for its students and faculty.

 

Nik Osborne

Indiana University

 

We invite your institution to participate in an innovative and important electronic-textbook pilot Internet2 and EDUCAUSE are undertaking for this fall. Institutions that participate in the pilot will be helping higher education collectively to demonstrate new etexts models.


In brief,

  • participating institutions pay a flat fee to Internet2,
  • students registered in specified classes or sections get access to electronic textbooks from at least one major publisher,
  • those students get access to a multi-platform e-reader which can be used by students in the specified classes or sections to read, highlight, and annotate their electronic textbooks (the institution may also use the e-reader for certain other purposes), and
  • the e-reader uses existing authentication mechanisms (such as the institution's LMS or student system) to confirm students' registration.

More detail on the pilot is online in a Prospectus and Invitation athttp://gregj.us/GILenV. The pilot is limited to 50 institutions.

If your institution wishes to join this pilot, you must email etext-pilot@internet2.edu to let us know this by April 7, 2012. You must confirm the institution's agreement with the pilot's conditions by April 15.

We hope that you will agree to participate!

Greg Jackson
Vice President, EDUCAUSE

Jerry Grochow
Interim Vice President for NET+ Services, Internet2
===== 

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

Message from timelord20@me.com

Hello there.

Can you address the following:

Do you anticipate sending out a  final list of publisher participants before April 7th?

What are the technical requirements to use Courseload on computers and mobile devices?

Will schools be able to use any amount of the pilot fee to continue their participation in the use of e-textbooks after the pilot concludes?

Thanks,

Kelvin Bentley

As of right now the only publisher is McGraw Hill, so I would count on McGraw for sure.  If another publisher joins, the group would send out notification.

Courseload is HTML5, so it works on just about any device with a browser

The total fee is payment for the Fall semester only, so parts of the fee would not be available for future pilots 

Nik

From: Kelvin Bentley <timelord20@ME.COM>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:55:31 +0000
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

Hello there.

Can you address the following:

Do you anticipate sending out a  final list of publisher participants before April 7th?

What are the technical requirements to use Courseload on computers and mobile devices?

Will schools be able to use any amount of the pilot fee to continue their participation in the use of e-textbooks after the pilot concludes?

Thanks,

Kelvin Bentley

Hi, Ron – In the requirements for the pilot’s e-reader application, the planning group specified that “It must include or be supplemented by accessibility mechanisms (or progress toward such mechanisms) consistent with the suggestions from the National Federation of the Blind and similar organizations.” The requirements further note that campuses and publishers will “cooperate on supplemental mechanisms consistent with normal campus accessibility accommodations” in instances where accessibility concerns relative to the selected application might still arise.

 

Our understanding is that the developers of Courseload, the e-reader application chosen for the pilot, have been engaged directly with NFB on Section 508 compliance, and that NFB is comfortable with where Courseload stands and continues to develop in this regard. And since both Courseload and the publisher currently engaged in the pilot, McGraw-Hill, are involved in Indiana University’s eTexts program as well as the previously announced Internet2 eText pilot including UC-Berkeley, Cornell, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, they should be well acquainted with higher education’s IT accessibility responsibilities and requirements. However, as the planning requirements indicate, participating institutions will continue to bear their customary responsibility for providing reasonable accommodations as needed. – Jarret

_______________________________________________________________________

Jarret S. Cummings

Policy Specialist

EDUCAUSE

202-331-5372

jcummings@educause.edu

www.educause.edu

 

 

Message from ron@ahead.org

Thanks for the info, it will be interesting to see how they have dealt with the issues of curricular accessibility.

 

Ron Stewart

 

Nik,

 

Since it looks as though your response to my post below only came back to me and not to the full list, I just want to confirm that the Campus Bookstore has no role in this pilot as it is currently structured.

 

The implications for that are that the central IT areas will need to work with the students accounts area or Bursar to manage the billing process as well as working with the faculty and department chairs to manage the communication process with the students.

 

Are the assumptions above correct?

 

I also want to confirm that for every class participating with this program it is an “all or nothing” solution.  In other words, where an etext under this program is adopted, the entire class will participate with this etext option.  If they want to purchase or rent a printed text or print a portion of the electronic text, that would be outside this program for an additional cost.

 

My concern with this is the digital divide created by limited student options to a single choice and the fact that not all students have equal access to the technology needed to use the resource.  Students from a low socioeconomic background and limited financial means don’t always have the same access to technology as more well-to-do students, with personal access to multiple devices.  Despite the availability of computer labs on most campuses, referring the students who don’t have their own technology to a lab doesn’t create a level playing field.

 

Is this barrier to equitable technology access that a segment of the student population will face somehow taken into account in this model?

 

I appreciate your insight into this pilot program and your response to the etexts list so everyone can benefit from the information.

 

Jeff

BGSU

 

 

 

From: Jeff Nelson [mailto:nelsonj@BGSU.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

What will be the role of the campus bookstore in this etextbook pilot?

 

Jeff Nelson

BGSU

 

 

 

From: Osborne, Nik [mailto:nosborne@IU.EDU]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Colleagues:

 

See the below invitation for the etext/electronic textbooks pilot being offered by Internet2 and EDUCAUSE for Fall 2012.  

 

This is a great opportunity for institutions that are interested in developing an etext model for its students and faculty.

 

Nik Osborne

Indiana University

 

We invite your institution to participate in an innovative and important electronic-textbook pilot Internet2 and EDUCAUSE are undertaking for this fall. Institutions that participate in the pilot will be helping higher education collectively to demonstrate new etexts models.


In brief,

  • participating institutions pay a flat fee to Internet2,
  • students registered in specified classes or sections get access to electronic textbooks from at least one major publisher,
  • those students get access to a multi-platform e-reader which can be used by students in the specified classes or sections to read, highlight, and annotate their electronic textbooks (the institution may also use the e-reader for certain other purposes), and
  • the e-reader uses existing authentication mechanisms (such as the institution's LMS or student system) to confirm students' registration.

More detail on the pilot is online in a Prospectus and Invitation athttp://gregj.us/GILenV. The pilot is limited to 50 institutions.

If your institution wishes to join this pilot, you must email etext-pilot@internet2.edu to let us know this by April 7, 2012. You must confirm the institution's agreement with the pilot's conditions by April 15.

We hope that you will agree to participate!

Greg Jackson
Vice President, EDUCAUSE

Jerry Grochow
Interim Vice President for NET+ Services, Internet2
===== 

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

Jeff:

Currently the campus bookstore has no role in this pilot.

I don’t think that the central IT areas will need to work with the student account areas to manage the billing process.  This pilot is based on the institution providing a flat fee (of either $20K or $35K) that subsidizes the costs for the students.  Individual students do not pay any fees under the pilot.

Whether or not every class involved in the pilot is an "all or nothing" solution would be up to the individual institution.   The pilot does allow full printing of the eText at no additional cost, and students can purchase a low cost POD version of the eText for an additional fee if desired.  So, in a situation in which a student cannot afford a laptop or tablet device, they still have the option of printing out the eText for free.  

Does this answer your questions?

Nik

From: Jeff Nelson <nelsonj@BGSU.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:26:41 -0400
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

Nik,

 

Since it looks as though your response to my post below only came back to me and not to the full list, I just want to confirm that the Campus Bookstore has no role in this pilot as it is currently structured.

 

The implications for that are that the central IT areas will need to work with the students accounts area or Bursar to manage the billing process as well as working with the faculty and department chairs to manage the communication process with the students.

 

Are the assumptions above correct?

 

I also want to confirm that for every class participating with this program it is an “all or nothing” solution.  In other words, where an etext under this program is adopted, the entire class will participate with this etext option.  If they want to purchase or rent a printed text or print a portion of the electronic text, that would be outside this program for an additional cost.

 

My concern with this is the digital divide created by limited student options to a single choice and the fact that not all students have equal access to the technology needed to use the resource.  Students from a low socioeconomic background and limited financial means don’t always have the same access to technology as more well-to-do students, with personal access to multiple devices.  Despite the availability of computer labs on most campuses, referring the students who don’t have their own technology to a lab doesn’t create a level playing field.

 

Is this barrier to equitable technology access that a segment of the student population will face somehow taken into account in this model?

 

I appreciate your insight into this pilot program and your response to the etexts list so everyone can benefit from the information.

 

Jeff

BGSU

 

 

 

From: Jeff Nelson [mailto:nelsonj@BGSU.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

What will be the role of the campus bookstore in this etextbook pilot?

 

Jeff Nelson

BGSU

 

 

 

From: Osborne, Nik [mailto:nosborne@IU.EDU]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Colleagues:

 

See the below invitation for the etext/electronic textbooks pilot being offered by Internet2 and EDUCAUSE for Fall 2012.  

 

This is a great opportunity for institutions that are interested in developing an etext model for its students and faculty.

 

Nik Osborne

Indiana University

 

We invite your institution to participate in an innovative and important electronic-textbook pilot Internet2 and EDUCAUSE are undertaking for this fall. Institutions that participate in the pilot will be helping higher education collectively to demonstrate new etexts models.


In brief,

  • participating institutions pay a flat fee to Internet2,
  • students registered in specified classes or sections get access to electronic textbooks from at least one major publisher,
  • those students get access to a multi-platform e-reader which can be used by students in the specified classes or sections to read, highlight, and annotate their electronic textbooks (the institution may also use the e-reader for certain other purposes), and
  • the e-reader uses existing authentication mechanisms (such as the institution's LMS or student system) to confirm students' registration.

More detail on the pilot is online in a Prospectus and Invitation athttp://gregj.us/GILenV. The pilot is limited to 50 institutions.

If your institution wishes to join this pilot, you must email etext-pilot@internet2.edu to let us know this by April 7, 2012. You must confirm the institution's agreement with the pilot's conditions by April 15.

We hope that you will agree to participate!

Greg Jackson
Vice President, EDUCAUSE

Jerry Grochow
Interim Vice President for NET+ Services, Internet2
===== 

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

Nik

A follow up on the last point. Presumably at some point we would move from a pilot into production and we would then, as an IT shop, need to set up a billing process to bill eat student for the texts used in each class they had that opted in, right?

We are very interested in the model. Would you be able to give us a sense of what sorts of discounts you are getting from publishers in practice? As much detail on that as you are able to share would be very helpful. 

Finally if there are any other Illinois institutions on this list who are considering participating in the pilot I'd be interested in hearing from you off-list   

Glenda

Glenda Morgan
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Wanted to add a couple more thoughts that I inadvertently only sent to Jeff.

Per the question on the all or nothing vs. blended approach to the eText pilot:  In the spring pilot, each institution decided individually whether their sections used only eTexts, or whether they used a more blended approach.  I believe there are representatives from those institutions on this list, and they could perhaps expand on their experiences to provide additional information. 

There will be a presentation on the spring pilot at the I2 Members meeting in April if anyone is interested in learning more about how the pilot was utilized at those five institutions. 

Thanks

Nik

From: Nik Osborne <nosborne@iu.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:37:30 -0400
To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

Jeff:

Currently the campus bookstore has no role in this pilot.

I don’t think that the central IT areas will need to work with the student account areas to manage the billing process.  This pilot is based on the institution providing a flat fee (of either $20K or $35K) that subsidizes the costs for the students.  Individual students do not pay any fees under the pilot.

Whether or not every class involved in the pilot is an "all or nothing" solution would be up to the individual institution.   The pilot does allow full printing of the eText at no additional cost, and students can purchase a low cost POD version of the eText for an additional fee if desired.  So, in a situation in which a student cannot afford a laptop or tablet device, they still have the option of printing out the eText for free.  

Does this answer your questions?

Nik

From: Jeff Nelson <nelsonj@BGSU.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:26:41 -0400
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

Nik,

 

Since it looks as though your response to my post below only came back to me and not to the full list, I just want to confirm that the Campus Bookstore has no role in this pilot as it is currently structured.

 

The implications for that are that the central IT areas will need to work with the students accounts area or Bursar to manage the billing process as well as working with the faculty and department chairs to manage the communication process with the students.

 

Are the assumptions above correct?

 

I also want to confirm that for every class participating with this program it is an “all or nothing” solution.  In other words, where an etext under this program is adopted, the entire class will participate with this etext option.  If they want to purchase or rent a printed text or print a portion of the electronic text, that would be outside this program for an additional cost.

 

My concern with this is the digital divide created by limited student options to a single choice and the fact that not all students have equal access to the technology needed to use the resource.  Students from a low socioeconomic background and limited financial means don’t always have the same access to technology as more well-to-do students, with personal access to multiple devices.  Despite the availability of computer labs on most campuses, referring the students who don’t have their own technology to a lab doesn’t create a level playing field.

 

Is this barrier to equitable technology access that a segment of the student population will face somehow taken into account in this model?

 

I appreciate your insight into this pilot program and your response to the etexts list so everyone can benefit from the information.

 

Jeff

BGSU

 

 

 

From: Jeff Nelson [mailto:nelsonj@BGSU.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

What will be the role of the campus bookstore in this etextbook pilot?

 

Jeff Nelson

BGSU

 

 

 

From: Osborne, Nik [mailto:nosborne@IU.EDU]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Colleagues:

 

See the below invitation for the etext/electronic textbooks pilot being offered by Internet2 and EDUCAUSE for Fall 2012.  

 

This is a great opportunity for institutions that are interested in developing an etext model for its students and faculty.

 

Nik Osborne

Indiana University

 

We invite your institution to participate in an innovative and important electronic-textbook pilot Internet2 and EDUCAUSE are undertaking for this fall. Institutions that participate in the pilot will be helping higher education collectively to demonstrate new etexts models.


In brief,

  • participating institutions pay a flat fee to Internet2,
  • students registered in specified classes or sections get access to electronic textbooks from at least one major publisher,
  • those students get access to a multi-platform e-reader which can be used by students in the specified classes or sections to read, highlight, and annotate their electronic textbooks (the institution may also use the e-reader for certain other purposes), and
  • the e-reader uses existing authentication mechanisms (such as the institution's LMS or student system) to confirm students' registration.

More detail on the pilot is online in a Prospectus and Invitation athttp://gregj.us/GILenV. The pilot is limited to 50 institutions.

If your institution wishes to join this pilot, you must email etext-pilot@internet2.edu to let us know this by April 7, 2012. You must confirm the institution's agreement with the pilot's conditions by April 15.

We hope that you will agree to participate!

Greg Jackson
Vice President, EDUCAUSE

Jerry Grochow
Interim Vice President for NET+ Services, Internet2
===== 

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

Hi Nik,
As we contemplate this program, one obvious question is: what texts will be available? If there isn't a good match between available texts and what our faculty teach, then it becomes less interesting. Is there a catalog of texts that would be available that we could review?

-- mike

I think the best place to start would be McGraw Hill's digital catalog.  Let me know if you have any questions.


Nik

From: Mike Roy <mdroy@MIDDLEBURY.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:04:45 -0400
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

Hi Nik,
As we contemplate this program, one obvious question is: what texts will be available? If there isn't a good match between available texts and what our faculty teach, then it becomes less interesting. Is there a catalog of texts that would be available that we could review?

-- mike

Nik,

 

You clarified the questions I had, so thank you. 

 

Regarding the POD option, this is very helpful information.  When you say “no cost” I assume you mean no added royalty fee to the publisher, but the student (or someone) would still need to pay the printing cost or sell the low-cost POD version.  Consideration for how this printing/POD will take place and be paid for then needs to be taken into account in the plans.

 

Glenda raises the same question I was also going to ask – how the flat fee will be managed on a larger scale.  With all the institutional budget pressures everyone is facing these days, absorbing a new course materials fee at the center will be difficult when the program goes beyond a small pilot. 

 

In effect, if there isn’t a billing function to pass through this cost to the individual user, the institution will have to bear the cost for an item which is currently funded a la carte by each student when they buy or rent a text or e-text.  This isn’t a criticism of the model, but it is a financial reality that will need to be considered when scaling the pilot to production.

 

I will be interested to see the experiences of the schools currently and how this pilot progresses.

 

Jeff

BGSU

 

 

From: Morgan, Glenda Nadine [mailto:gmorgan@ILLINOIS.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Nik

 

A follow up on the last point. Presumably at some point we would move from a pilot into production and we would then, as an IT shop, need to set up a billing process to bill eat student for the texts used in each class they had that opted in, right?

 

We are very interested in the model. Would you be able to give us a sense of what sorts of discounts you are getting from publishers in practice? As much detail on that as you are able to share would be very helpful. 

 

Finally if there are any other Illinois institutions on this list who are considering participating in the pilot I'd be interested in hearing from you off-list   

 

Glenda

 

Glenda Morgan

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Jeff:

When I say printing at no cost, I mean that a student can print out the eText personally (on their own personal printer, at a computer lab, etc) at no additional fee.  In this case, the student can print out specific chapters of interest or literally print out the entire etext if desired. The "low cost" POD would be a separate transaction that the student would enter into with the publisher or a contracted 3rd party.  In the POD scenario, the student would receive a complete printed version of the textbook for around $20-$30.  Make sense?

The flat fee is only an arrangement for the pilot being offered by I2 and EDUCAUSE.  It is designed to provide a simple, low cost etext pilot for an institution so that each institution doesn’t need to worry about contract negotiation, arranging a fee gathering process, billing students etc, as all of those items take additional time and resources to implement.

Once an institution in is ready to move beyond a pilot phase into a larger scale etext initiative, then the institution would need to figure out how they would bill their students for the cost of the content as I doubt that an institution could simply keep subsidizing the costs for students at scale.  For example, at IU we have set up an eText fee that charges each individual student in an etext section for the cost of the content.  There is no large flat fee that IU pays the publisher.  

As an illustration of how things work here at IU, if the faculty member for Biology 101 wants to teach with an eText from Mcgraw Hill they would select the MH eText they want to use.  Based on our contract with McGraw, we would determine the cost of that eText for each student in the class (Lets assume that this Bio 101 book, per our deal with McGraw, is priced at $30 and the Courseload fee is $5)  Then each student would be charged $35 for the eText (per the bursar), IU would collect the money, and then deliver it to McGraw/Courseload.  This process would be repeated for every section that wants to use an eText through our initiative.

For more info on what we are doing here at IU, check http://etexts.iu.edu 

Does this help?

Nik

From: Jeff Nelson <nelsonj@BGSU.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:45:53 -0400
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

Nik,

 

You clarified the questions I had, so thank you. 

 

Regarding the POD option, this is very helpful information.  When you say “no cost” I assume you mean no added royalty fee to the publisher, but the student (or someone) would still need to pay the printing cost or sell the low-cost POD version.  Consideration for how this printing/POD will take place and be paid for then needs to be taken into account in the plans.

 

Glenda raises the same question I was also going to ask – how the flat fee will be managed on a larger scale.  With all the institutional budget pressures everyone is facing these days, absorbing a new course materials fee at the center will be difficult when the program goes beyond a small pilot. 

 

In effect, if there isn’t a billing function to pass through this cost to the individual user, the institution will have to bear the cost for an item which is currently funded a la carte by each student when they buy or rent a text or e-text.  This isn’t a criticism of the model, but it is a financial reality that will need to be considered when scaling the pilot to production.

 

I will be interested to see the experiences of the schools currently and how this pilot progresses.

 

Jeff

BGSU

 

 

From: Morgan, Glenda Nadine [mailto:gmorgan@ILLINOIS.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Nik

 

A follow up on the last point. Presumably at some point we would move from a pilot into production and we would then, as an IT shop, need to set up a billing process to bill eat student for the texts used in each class they had that opted in, right?

 

We are very interested in the model. Would you be able to give us a sense of what sorts of discounts you are getting from publishers in practice? As much detail on that as you are able to share would be very helpful. 

 

Finally if there are any other Illinois institutions on this list who are considering participating in the pilot I'd be interested in hearing from you off-list   

 

Glenda

 

Glenda Morgan

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Nik –

 

In my experience, no cost is a slippery slope.  The cost to print out an eText on a personal printer is generally more expensive per page than purchasing a low cost POD version.  And, when students have the option to print portions of etexts on campus at no cost, there are significant costs for the institution to absorb which are often unanticipated.  It’s important - and a bit challenging in this pilot phase - to consider the total cost of ownership for eTexts.   

 

A few questions –

·        When a student takes notes in their eText, can those notes be downloaded and archived by the student to use after the course? 

·        If I highlight in my eText, can I copy and paste those highlights into my notes? 

·        If the eText is in my major and I want to retain access to the textbook, what are my options?  Or, is it best to purchase a print copy?  Do you know if the POD book paper is archival quality?

·        Will the bookstore sell used print copies of the eTexts?

·        Can faculty members customize the actual text in addition to adding multimedia materials and annotations?

·        What has been the student response at IU to the eText project? 

·        Will you or have you gathered data as to how students choose to interact with their course materials and in what subject areas and whether there is any impact on their course performance?

 

Are faculty on your campus also using open textbooks as eTexts in their courses?

 

Thanks!  Interesting project.  Very nice how students can ask a question and receive an answer from within the eText.  There is a lot to learn!

 

Susie Henderson

Director of Online Strategies and Programs, EDUCAUSE

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Nik
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:05 AM
To: ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Jeff:

 

When I say printing at no cost, I mean that a student can print out the eText personally (on their own personal printer, at a computer lab, etc) at no additional fee.  In this case, the student can print out specific chapters of interest or literally print out the entire etext if desired. The "low cost" POD would be a separate transaction that the student would enter into with the publisher or a contracted 3rd party.  In the POD scenario, the student would receive a complete printed version of the textbook for around $20-$30.  Make sense?

 

The flat fee is only an arrangement for the pilot being offered by I2 and EDUCAUSE.  It is designed to provide a simple, low cost etext pilot for an institution so that each institution doesn’t need to worry about contract negotiation, arranging a fee gathering process, billing students etc, as all of those items take additional time and resources to implement.

 

Once an institution in is ready to move beyond a pilot phase into a larger scale etext initiative, then the institution would need to figure out how they would bill their students for the cost of the content as I doubt that an institution could simply keep subsidizing the costs for students at scale.  For example, at IU we have set up an eText fee that charges each individual student in an etext section for the cost of the content.  There is no large flat fee that IU pays the publisher.  

 

As an illustration of how things work here at IU, if the faculty member for Biology 101 wants to teach with an eText from Mcgraw Hill they would select the MH eText they want to use.  Based on our contract with McGraw, we would determine the cost of that eText for each student in the class (Lets assume that this Bio 101 book, per our deal with McGraw, is priced at $30 and the Courseload fee is $5)  Then each student would be charged $35 for the eText (per the bursar), IU would collect the money, and then deliver it to McGraw/Courseload.  This process would be repeated for every section that wants to use an eText through our initiative.

 

For more info on what we are doing here at IU, check http://etexts.iu.edu 

 

Does this help?

 

Nik

 

From: Jeff Nelson <nelsonj@BGSU.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:45:53 -0400
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Nik,

 

You clarified the questions I had, so thank you. 

 

Regarding the POD option, this is very helpful information.  When you say “no cost” I assume you mean no added royalty fee to the publisher, but the student (or someone) would still need to pay the printing cost or sell the low-cost POD version.  Consideration for how this printing/POD will take place and be paid for then needs to be taken into account in the plans.

 

Glenda raises the same question I was also going to ask – how the flat fee will be managed on a larger scale.  With all the institutional budget pressures everyone is facing these days, absorbing a new course materials fee at the center will be difficult when the program goes beyond a small pilot. 

 

In effect, if there isn’t a billing function to pass through this cost to the individual user, the institution will have to bear the cost for an item which is currently funded a la carte by each student when they buy or rent a text or e-text.  This isn’t a criticism of the model, but it is a financial reality that will need to be considered when scaling the pilot to production.

 

I will be interested to see the experiences of the schools currently and how this pilot progresses.

 

Jeff

BGSU

 

 

From: Morgan, Glenda Nadine [mailto:gmorgan@ILLINOIS.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Nik

 

A follow up on the last point. Presumably at some point we would move from a pilot into production and we would then, as an IT shop, need to set up a billing process to bill eat student for the texts used in each class they had that opted in, right?

 

We are very interested in the model. Would you be able to give us a sense of what sorts of discounts you are getting from publishers in practice? As much detail on that as you are able to share would be very helpful. 

 

Finally if there are any other Illinois institutions on this list who are considering participating in the pilot I'd be interested in hearing from you off-list   

 

Glenda

 

Glenda Morgan

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Susan:

Answers to your questions below in red.

From: Susan Henderson <shenderson@EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:05:59 +0000
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

Nik –

 

In my experience, no cost is a slippery slope.  The cost to print out an eText on a personal printer is generally more expensive per page than purchasing a low cost POD version.  And, when students have the option to print portions of etexts on campus at no cost, there are significant costs for the institution to absorb which are often unanticipated.  It’s important - and a bit challenging in this pilot phase - to consider the total cost of ownership for eTexts.   

 

A few questions –

·        When a student takes notes in their eText, can those notes be downloaded and archived by the student to use after the course? Students can print out their notes and export them for archiving purposes.

·        If I highlight in my eText, can I copy and paste those highlights into my notes? The highlights will show up in the notes section of the software, so no need to copy and paste

·        If the eText is in my major and I want to retain access to the textbook, what are my options?  Or, is it best to purchase a print copy?  Do you know if the POD book paper is archival quality? Best option for this pilot would be POD or printing the book yourself.  Not sure what you mean by archival quality, but the POD is of reasonable quality.  It is certainly not equal to a hardback, glossy paged, full color textbook, but it is clearly readable and looks like a professional copy (does not look like someone photocopied the book)

·        Will the bookstore sell used print copies of the eTexts? That would be up to the individual bookstore

·        Can faculty members customize the actual text in addition to adding multimedia materials and annotations? Yes, links to multimedia, annotations, highlights and notes can be added by the faculty and those resources will be immediately propagated in each students eText.

·        What has been the student response at IU to the eText project? Students have responded favorably.  We have seen the highest level of positive response in the classes where faculty truly utilized the software in their teaching.  You can take a look at the IU pilot data on the Resources page at http://etexts.iu.edu.  One note however is that the IU pilot data was gathered when the old version of the Courseload software was being used.  Courseload's latest addition, the one currently being used at IU and in this pilot, is a remarkable improvement.  Of course, students have supported the cost savings as well.

·        Will you or have you gathered data as to how students choose to interact with their course materials and in what subject areas and whether there is any impact on their course performance?  The I2 spring pilot included a research study that 4 of the 5 institutions participated in.  That data should be available at the end of the semester for the institutions to share if they wish.  Guidance for a similar research study will be available in this fall pilot as well.

 

Are faculty on your campus also using open textbooks as eTexts in their courses?  I believe that some faculty are using their own faculty created content through the Courseload software, but I am not personally aware if a true open textbook is being used.  I should know an answer to that question once orders for Fall 2012 here at IU are complete.

 

Thanks!  Interesting project.  Very nice how students can ask a question and receive an answer from within the eText.  There is a lot to learn!

 

Susie Henderson

Director of Online Strategies and Programs, EDUCAUSE

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Nik
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:05 AM
To: ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Jeff:

 

When I say printing at no cost, I mean that a student can print out the eText personally (on their own personal printer, at a computer lab, etc) at no additional fee.  In this case, the student can print out specific chapters of interest or literally print out the entire etext if desired. The "low cost" POD would be a separate transaction that the student would enter into with the publisher or a contracted 3rd party.  In the POD scenario, the student would receive a complete printed version of the textbook for around $20-$30.  Make sense?

 

The flat fee is only an arrangement for the pilot being offered by I2 and EDUCAUSE.  It is designed to provide a simple, low cost etext pilot for an institution so that each institution doesn’t need to worry about contract negotiation, arranging a fee gathering process, billing students etc, as all of those items take additional time and resources to implement.

 

Once an institution in is ready to move beyond a pilot phase into a larger scale etext initiative, then the institution would need to figure out how they would bill their students for the cost of the content as I doubt that an institution could simply keep subsidizing the costs for students at scale.  For example, at IU we have set up an eText fee that charges each individual student in an etext section for the cost of the content.  There is no large flat fee that IU pays the publisher.  

 

As an illustration of how things work here at IU, if the faculty member for Biology 101 wants to teach with an eText from Mcgraw Hill they would select the MH eText they want to use.  Based on our contract with McGraw, we would determine the cost of that eText for each student in the class (Lets assume that this Bio 101 book, per our deal with McGraw, is priced at $30 and the Courseload fee is $5)  Then each student would be charged $35 for the eText (per the bursar), IU would collect the money, and then deliver it to McGraw/Courseload.  This process would be repeated for every section that wants to use an eText through our initiative.

 

For more info on what we are doing here at IU, check http://etexts.iu.edu 

 

Does this help?

 

Nik

 

From: Jeff Nelson <nelsonj@BGSU.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:45:53 -0400
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Nik,

 

You clarified the questions I had, so thank you. 

 

Regarding the POD option, this is very helpful information.  When you say “no cost” I assume you mean no added royalty fee to the publisher, but the student (or someone) would still need to pay the printing cost or sell the low-cost POD version.  Consideration for how this printing/POD will take place and be paid for then needs to be taken into account in the plans.

 

Glenda raises the same question I was also going to ask – how the flat fee will be managed on a larger scale.  With all the institutional budget pressures everyone is facing these days, absorbing a new course materials fee at the center will be difficult when the program goes beyond a small pilot. 

 

In effect, if there isn’t a billing function to pass through this cost to the individual user, the institution will have to bear the cost for an item which is currently funded a la carte by each student when they buy or rent a text or e-text.  This isn’t a criticism of the model, but it is a financial reality that will need to be considered when scaling the pilot to production.

 

I will be interested to see the experiences of the schools currently and how this pilot progresses.

 

Jeff

BGSU

 

 

From: Morgan, Glenda Nadine [mailto:gmorgan@ILLINOIS.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Nik

 

A follow up on the last point. Presumably at some point we would move from a pilot into production and we would then, as an IT shop, need to set up a billing process to bill eat student for the texts used in each class they had that opted in, right?

 

We are very interested in the model. Would you be able to give us a sense of what sorts of discounts you are getting from publishers in practice? As much detail on that as you are able to share would be very helpful. 

 

Finally if there are any other Illinois institutions on this list who are considering participating in the pilot I'd be interested in hearing from you off-list   

 

Glenda

 

Glenda Morgan

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Thanks so much, Nik!

 

From: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Nik
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:13 PM
To: ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Susan:

 

Answers to your questions below in red.

 

From: Susan Henderson <shenderson@EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:05:59 +0000
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Nik –

 

In my experience, no cost is a slippery slope.  The cost to print out an eText on a personal printer is generally more expensive per page than purchasing a low cost POD version.  And, when students have the option to print portions of etexts on campus at no cost, there are significant costs for the institution to absorb which are often unanticipated.  It’s important - and a bit challenging in this pilot phase - to consider the total cost of ownership for eTexts.   

 

A few questions –

When a student takes notes in their eText, can those notes be downloaded and archived by the student to use after the course? Students can print out their notes and export them for archiving purposes.

If I highlight in my eText, can I copy and paste those highlights into my notes? The highlights will show up in the notes section of the software, so no need to copy and paste

If the eText is in my major and I want to retain access to the textbook, what are my options?  Or, is it best to purchase a print copy?  Do you know if the POD book paper is archival quality? Best option for this pilot would be POD or printing the book yourself.  Not sure what you mean by archival quality, but the POD is of reasonable quality.  It is certainly not equal to a hardback, glossy paged, full color textbook, but it is clearly readable and looks like a professional copy (does not look like someone photocopied the book)

Will the bookstore sell used print copies of the eTexts? That would be up to the individual bookstore

Can faculty members customize the actual text in addition to adding multimedia materials and annotations? Yes, links to multimedia, annotations, highlights and notes can be added by the faculty and those resources will be immediately propagated in each students eText.

What has been the student response at IU to the eText project? Students have responded favorably.  We have seen the highest level of positive response in the classes where faculty truly utilized the software in their teaching.  You can take a look at the IU pilot data on the Resources page at http://etexts.iu.edu.  One note however is that the IU pilot data was gathered when the old version of the Courseload software was being used.  Courseload's latest addition, the one currently being used at IU and in this pilot, is a remarkable improvement.  Of course, students have supported the cost savings as well.

Will you or have you gathered data as to how students choose to interact with their course materials and in what subject areas and whether there is any impact on their course performance?  The I2 spring pilot included a research study that 4 of the 5 institutions participated in.  That data should be available at the end of the semester for the institutions to share if they wish.  Guidance for a similar research study will be available in this fall pilot as well.

 

Are faculty on your campus also using open textbooks as eTexts in their courses?  I believe that some faculty are using their own faculty created content through the Courseload software, but I am not personally aware if a true open textbook is being used.  I should know an answer to that question once orders for Fall 2012 here at IU are complete.

 

Thanks!  Interesting project.  Very nice how students can ask a question and receive an answer from within the eText.  There is a lot to learn!

 

Susie Henderson

Director of Online Strategies and Programs, EDUCAUSE

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Nik
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:05 AM
To: ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Jeff:

 

When I say printing at no cost, I mean that a student can print out the eText personally (on their own personal printer, at a computer lab, etc) at no additional fee.  In this case, the student can print out specific chapters of interest or literally print out the entire etext if desired. The "low cost" POD would be a separate transaction that the student would enter into with the publisher or a contracted 3rd party.  In the POD scenario, the student would receive a complete printed version of the textbook for around $20-$30.  Make sense?

 

The flat fee is only an arrangement for the pilot being offered by I2 and EDUCAUSE.  It is designed to provide a simple, low cost etext pilot for an institution so that each institution doesn’t need to worry about contract negotiation, arranging a fee gathering process, billing students etc, as all of those items take additional time and resources to implement.

 

Once an institution in is ready to move beyond a pilot phase into a larger scale etext initiative, then the institution would need to figure out how they would bill their students for the cost of the content as I doubt that an institution could simply keep subsidizing the costs for students at scale.  For example, at IU we have set up an eText fee that charges each individual student in an etext section for the cost of the content.  There is no large flat fee that IU pays the publisher.  

 

As an illustration of how things work here at IU, if the faculty member for Biology 101 wants to teach with an eText from Mcgraw Hill they would select the MH eText they want to use.  Based on our contract with McGraw, we would determine the cost of that eText for each student in the class (Lets assume that this Bio 101 book, per our deal with McGraw, is priced at $30 and the Courseload fee is $5)  Then each student would be charged $35 for the eText (per the bursar), IU would collect the money, and then deliver it to McGraw/Courseload.  This process would be repeated for every section that wants to use an eText through our initiative.

 

For more info on what we are doing here at IU, check http://etexts.iu.edu 

 

Does this help?

 

Nik

 

From: Jeff Nelson <nelsonj@BGSU.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE eTexts Constituent Group Listserv <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:45:53 -0400
To: <ETEXTS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ETEXTS] Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Nik,

 

You clarified the questions I had, so thank you. 

 

Regarding the POD option, this is very helpful information.  When you say “no cost” I assume you mean no added royalty fee to the publisher, but the student (or someone) would still need to pay the printing cost or sell the low-cost POD version.  Consideration for how this printing/POD will take place and be paid for then needs to be taken into account in the plans.

 

Glenda raises the same question I was also going to ask – how the flat fee will be managed on a larger scale.  With all the institutional budget pressures everyone is facing these days, absorbing a new course materials fee at the center will be difficult when the program goes beyond a small pilot. 

 

In effect, if there isn’t a billing function to pass through this cost to the individual user, the institution will have to bear the cost for an item which is currently funded a la carte by each student when they buy or rent a text or e-text.  This isn’t a criticism of the model, but it is a financial reality that will need to be considered when scaling the pilot to production.

 

I will be interested to see the experiences of the schools currently and how this pilot progresses.

 

Jeff

BGSU

 

 

From: Morgan, Glenda Nadine [mailto:gmorgan@ILLINOIS.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Internet2/EDUCAUSE etext pilot invitation

 

Nik

 

A follow up on the last point. Presumably at some point we would move from a pilot into production and we would then, as an IT shop, need to set up a billing process to bill eat student for the texts used in each class they had that opted in, right?

 

We are very interested in the model. Would you be able to give us a sense of what sorts of discounts you are getting from publishers in practice? As much detail on that as you are able to share would be very helpful. 

 

Finally if there are any other Illinois institutions on this list who are considering participating in the pilot I'd be interested in hearing from you off-list   

 

Glenda

 

Glenda Morgan

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

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