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Hi INSTTECH Group!

 

So I was wondering what the general consensus of the group is for solutions for iPad wireless projection, knowing that AppleTV’s may not work well on campus networks as far as security and other concerns go.

 

What is your campus doing to work with faulty in an effort to display their iPads in the classroom?

 

Hope your Fall semester startup is going well.

 

Sincerely,

Eric

 

 

_________________________________________________________

e r i c   j.   k u n n e n

 

Grand Valley State University

Emerging Technologies Coordinator, Information Technology

010 Mary Idema Pew Library

1 Campus Drive

Allendale, MI  49401-9403

kunnene@gvsu.edu | @ekunnen

 

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We are looking at Crestron's latest solution "Air Media" - have a demo scheduled in a few days. Currently for iPads we are just using an adapter. Epson (935W) has a projector out that has an app that allows wireless connectivity as well, but won't work in dual projection rooms - well, it will only work on one projector at a time from what I understand.
 Good luck and keep me posted on what you find.

Cheers,
Benjamin Wofford
Fuller Seminary


Message from rmurchshafer@creighton.edu

We like to use AirServer (http://www.airserver.com) instead of Apple TVs for the exact reason you mention.  It's an app that can run on PCs or Mac and lets your iOS devices stream to them just like with and Apple TV.  In our case all classrooms already have instructor computers in them connected to a projector, so it's mainly a matter of installing software.

The one tricky thing however is if you have your wireless network separate from your wired one.  For AirPlay to work, generally speaking your devices need to be on the "same" network.  For classrooms where we have MacMinis installed this was fairly easy as we just configure the computer to use both wired and wireless networking.  PCs are a little more difficult but we could usually accomplish the same thing by adding a wireless networking device to it.  Since it's the computers receiving the airplay on a wireless network, they typically have no problem connecting to enterprise wireless networks.

Hope that helps,
Rick

Rick E. Murch-Shafer
Manager, Information Technology, Application Administrator
Division of Information Technology
DoIT | Creighton University
rmurchshafer@creighton.edu | Office: 402.280.2560


From: Eric Kunnen <kunnene@GVSU.EDU>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Instructional Technologies Constituent Group Listserv <INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 3:23 PM
To: "INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [INSTTECH] iPad, Airplay, and Projection in the Classroom

Hi INSTTECH Group!

 

So I was wondering what the general consensus of the group is for solutions for iPad wireless projection, knowing that AppleTV’s may not work well on campus networks as far as security and other concerns go.

 

What is your campus doing to work with faulty in an effort to display their iPads in the classroom?

 

Hope your Fall semester startup is going well.

 

Sincerely,

Eric

 

 

_________________________________________________________

e r i c   j.   k u n n e n

 

Grand Valley State University

Emerging Technologies Coordinator, Information Technology

010 Mary Idema Pew Library

1 Campus Drive

Allendale, MI  49401-9403

kunnene@gvsu.edu | @ekunnen

 

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

Hi Eric. iPad classroom projection was discussed at great lengths, early in the year on the Learning Spaces Educause SIG. Check out the archives, although I am not sure they are available. I recall saving that thread on my real computer. 
--- Ed

--- Ed Garay
IPad.


This article was published just this week on the topic of wireless presentation. You might find it of interest.

 

Steven Endres

Senior Academic Technology Specialist

21st Century Learning

 

DeVry University

3005 Highland Parkway

Downers Grove, Illinois 60515

 

(630) 353-3950  direct

(630) 353-9903  dept. fax

1973950  internal

sendres@devry.edu

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Instructional Technologies Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Garay
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 3:43 PM
To: INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [INSTTECH] iPad, Airplay, and Projection in the Classroom

 

Hi Eric. iPad classroom projection was discussed at great lengths, early in the year on the Learning Spaces Educause SIG. Check out the archives, although I am not sure they are available. I recall saving that thread on my real computer. 

--- Ed

--- Ed Garay

IPad.

 


We have demo’d the Crestron AirMedia and it works quite well.  It plays well with enterprise network security, which is the primary pitfall of AppleTV on our campus.  The extent of our demo has been with PC laptops, iPads and iPhones, so far.  We’ll be testing Andriod devices shortly.  We did find an issue with embedded audio on video whereby an extra app is required to make it work, but for still images, docs, PPT’s, etc. it works with any hitches in the giddyup.  Crestron is aware of the issue and we’re told they’re working on it.

 

By the way, we have 20 on the way to install in group study rooms and our classroom standards will likely have this as a new addition, barring any unforeseen difficulties.

 

Greg

 

We ha a demo of Crestron's solution and it seemed nice but doesn't currently support Airplay mirroring so you can't show any apps or video from iOS or Android devices. They said its on their roadmap with a "6-9 month timetable". 

We also looked at a Barco solution that didn't require software (used hardware based USB dongles) but it wasn't as good with frame rates and also didn't support mirroring. Both handled enterprise security just fine. 

Tim Owens

We've deployed AirServer for the same reason that we have PCs in all classrooms.  We adjusted our VLANs so that our faculty and staff wireless network is the same broadcast space as the classroom PCs.  No need for wireless on classroom PCs.  And of course there's the price -- all of our classrooms iPad ready for a little more than the cost of one AppleTV.

-- Scott


Something we learned on “AirServer” – if you’re using a wireless device (to walk around the classroom) but the projector is linked to a hard-wired computer – the protocol used by AirServer (and Airplay) isn’t routable – so, the wireless device and the “projection computer” have to be on the same network segment.  We have different networks that appear on our wireless versus our wired networks – so, AirServer doesn’t want to play….

 

M

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Instructional Technologies Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Krajewski, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:20 PM
To: INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [INSTTECH] iPad, Airplay, and Projection in the Classroom

 

We've deployed AirServer for the same reason that we have PCs in all classrooms.  We adjusted our VLANs so that our faculty and staff wireless network is the same broadcast space as the classroom PCs.  No need for wireless on classroom PCs.  And of course there's the price -- all of our classrooms iPad ready for a little more than the cost of one AppleTV.

 

-- Scott

 

We use Airserver as well. Great product and much more cost-effective than AppleTV. Another ‘gotcha’, however, is to be wary of your password policies if deploying across an enterprise. If you use a single password to authenticate, any user on an iPad can take control of a room – even from a great distance. The room simply appears as a device in AirPlay. The user can select that device and authenticate – effectively taking control of the display. This can be malicious or inadvertent. Picture two adjacent rooms: 101A and 101B. The instructor in 101B accidently taps 101A from AirPlay  and authenticates. Voila. Her display is now on the computer in room 101A.

 

RG

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Instructional Technologies Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of SCHALIP, MICHAEL
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:51 AM
To: INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [INSTTECH] iPad, Airplay, and Projection in the Classroom

 

Something we learned on “AirServer” – if you’re using a wireless device (to walk around the classroom) but the projector is linked to a hard-wired computer – the protocol used by AirServer (and Airplay) isn’t routable – so, the wireless device and the “projection computer” have to be on the same network segment.  We have different networks that appear on our wireless versus our wired networks – so, AirServer doesn’t want to play….

 

M

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Instructional Technologies Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Krajewski, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:20 PM
To: INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [INSTTECH] iPad, Airplay, and Projection in the Classroom

 

We've deployed AirServer for the same reason that we have PCs in all classrooms.  We adjusted our VLANs so that our faculty and staff wireless network is the same broadcast space as the classroom PCs.  No need for wireless on classroom PCs.  And of course there's the price -- all of our classrooms iPad ready for a little more than the cost of one AppleTV.

 

-- Scott

 

We've been testing the Apple TV's, and have worked with our campus network partners on access to the overall campus infrastructure.  I suppose that each campus situation will be unique in this regard, but we've had good success so far in our new collaborative learning spaces.

-Rich

 
***********************
Rich Bakken, PhD
Coordinator, Media Production & Special Events
Instructional Technology Services
San Diego State University
O: (619) 594-2047



From: Eric Kunnen <kunnene@GVSU.EDU>
To: INSTTECH@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: [INSTTECH] iPad, Airplay, and Projection in the Classroom

Hi INSTTECH Group!
 
So I was wondering what the general consensus of the group is for solutions for iPad wireless projection, knowing that AppleTV’s may not work well on campus networks as far as security and other concerns go.
 
What is your campus doing to work with faulty in an effort to display their iPads in the classroom?
 
Hope your Fall semester startup is going well.
 
Sincerely,
Eric
 
 
_________________________________________________________
e r i c   j.   k u n n e n
 
Grand Valley State University
Emerging Technologies Coordinator, Information Technology
010 Mary Idema Pew Library
1 Campus Drive
Allendale, MI  49401-9403
kunnene@gvsu.edu | @ekunnen
 
********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.


********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

Here’s an InfoComm article on wireless presentation systems that might be of interest. It includes information on some of our recent work.

 

http://www.infocomm.org/cps/rde/xchg/infocomm/hs.xsl/38108.htm

 

(Sorry, I posted this yesterday but seem to have forgotten to include the link!)

 

Steven Endres

Senior Academic Technology Specialist

21st Century Learning

 

DeVry University

3005 Highland Parkway

Downers Grove, Illinois 60515

 

(630) 353-3950  direct

(630) 353-9903  dept. fax

1973950  internal

sendres@devry.edu

 

 

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