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Anybody care to share feedback using PSPP, and how it compares to SPSS?  Thanks in advance!

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Dear Colleagues,

 

Has anyone successfully implemented an alternative to SPSS?  I recently paid our annual subscription which has increased substantially since the IBM buyout.  I would like to spend the next year piloting an alternative solution(s), preferably open source.

 

Just wondering if anyone else is feeling the pinch and has successfully made the move to another package.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

Michael S. Hoffman

Executive Director for Information Technology

St. Bonaventure University

mhoffman@sbu.edu

www.sbu.edu

 

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We have been experiencing 10%/year increases since IBM took over.  I made an inquiry and I was told that we are getting the software at an 80% discount from the academic price and that I could expect 10% annual increases until we were paying full academic rate.  No proof of this statement was offered.  I too am interested in alternatives, however the software is in use in our labs and faculty specify the software that is used there.  They do not seem to be particularly sympathetic to arguments that only involve cost.

 

Regards,

John Twigg

Regis University

Denver, CO

 

Message from anwar.karim@tamuc.edu

Mike,

 

Have you considered their campus license? We switched to that model and actually saved money overall. However, the IBM’s SPSS campus license does allow for administrative use. Just a thought…

 

Anwar

 

Anwar Karim

Chief Information Officer

Office of the President

Texas A&M University – Commerce

Tel: (903)886-5421

 

 

 

Thanks Anwar.  We actually do already have the campus license, and the cost keeps climbing at an alarming rate.

 

Mike

 

Mike—

 

If you’re looking for open source to do statistical analysis, then R is it. BUT replacing SPSS with R in labs would likely cause a revolt among faculty and students in psychology, sociology, education, etc. 

 

Minitab may be a cheaper alternative (at least it used to be) that has much of the same functionality, but it’s geared and marketed to engineers. So your SPSS users may not be familiar with it.

 

Actually, any alternative to SPSS, free or cheaper, will probably be difficult to implement.  The fields that I find are most likely to use SPSS are full of folks who tend to not have a programming background or feel comfortable learning new software packages.  My background is in statistics where SPSS is not used that frequently. Statisticians tend to use SAS or R, and be fairly comfortable learning new programming languages/interfaces.

 

Good luck,

Pam Arroway

Senior Statistician

EDUCAUSE

 

The "free alternative to SPSS" is PSPP (no kidding):  http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/tour.html.  

Don
Don Diener
Office of Information Technology
Phone 895-0500; Mail Code 1075





Mike- (disclaimer) I have absolutely no experience with this package whatsoever, but Gnu PSPP (get it?) might be an option, based solely on my quick perusal of their FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/faq.html Regards, Jeff Giacobbe Montclair State University On 06/05/2012 03:04 PM, Pam Arroway wrote: > Mike- > > If you're looking for open source to do statistical analysis, then R is it. BUT replacing SPSS with R in labs would likely cause a revolt among faculty and students in psychology, sociology, education, etc. > > Minitab may be a cheaper alternative (at least it used to be) that has much of the same functionality, but it's geared and marketed to engineers. So your SPSS users may not be familiar with it. > > Actually, any alternative to SPSS, free or cheaper, will probably be difficult to implement. The fields that I find are most likely to use SPSS are full of folks who tend to not have a programming background or feel comfortable learning new software packages. My background is in statistics where SPSS is not used that frequently. Statisticians tend to use SAS or R, and be fairly comfortable learning new programming languages/interfaces. > > Good luck, > Pam Arroway > Senior Statistician > EDUCAUSE > >
Message from mknox@austin.utexas.edu

Last fall, Robert (Bob) Muenchen provided some information to the Licensing and to the CIO groups, that may be helpful to you now. Let me recycle it. Please note, it is a recycle so the webinar he mentions was last Fall but the URL will get you to a download for it. Bob may have an update as well, Bob? >Subject: [LICENSING] R, SAS & SPSS > >Greetings, > >In recent months we have seen many changes to our software costs. IBM >raised the price of SPSS, dramatically for some. SAS Institute offered >the cloud version of their software at no cost for teaching last year >and they extend that offer to academic research starting this month >(http://www.sas.com/govedu/edu/programs/od_academics.html). While this >is a welcome alternative, it has also lowered the number of people >needing SAS on their own machines, resulting in higher per-copy costs for the remaining users. > >As many have pointed out on this list, open source alternatives provide >freedom from expense, yearly expirations and distribution issues. They >also provide the freedom to use the software for any purpose, on a >machine owned by anyone at any campus, as well as the freedom to modify the software in any way. > >R is the most widely used open source tool for data analysis and >graphics. Much has happened recently with R as well. A new user >interface, RStudio, was released and has already been adopted by 20% of >R users. Developers have also enhanced several point-and-click >interfaces, opening the use of R to a much wider audience of >non-programmers. Progress has also been made which allows R to deal with Big Data (i.e. billions of records). > >I'll cover these and related topics in a one-hour webinar next week. >You can join me at: >http://www.revolutionanalytics.com/news-events/free-webinars/2011/intro-to-r-for-sas-spss/ > >Best regards, >Bob > >========================================================= > Bob Muenchen (pronounced Min'-chen), Manager > Research Computing Support > Voice: (865) 974-5230 > Email: muenchen@utk.edu > Web: http://oit.utk.edu/research, > News: http://oit.utk.edu/research/news.php >======================================================== ____________________________________________________ Margaret H. Knox mknox@utsystem.edu Chief Information Officer (CIO) (512)322-3774 The University of Texas System CTJ 2.218 78701
The webinar R for SAS and SPSS Users describes how R compares to SAS and SPSS. It shows two user interfaces that have been designed to mimic the SPSS GUI. It also shows how to run R from within SAS and SPSS so you don't have to purchase as many add-on modules. The webinar was recorded as is now online at: http://www.revolutionanalytics.com/news-events/free-webinars/2011/intro-... I'm teaching a 16-hour workshop, R for SAS, SPSS and Stata Users on the afternoons of June 26-29. You can register at: http://www.revolutionanalytics.com/services/training/public/intro-to-r-f... Cheers, Bob >
I am in an email discussion with our IBM rep on our annual campus renewal.  The increase is 10% over last year and I told her that we budgeted for 5% based on past increases.  She said that it is IBM "policy" to raise SPSS costs "10-15%" each year.  I informed her that this was quite high in comparison with other software vendors and explained that with higher education institutions under greater pressure to keep costs down that such increases were just not sustainable.  We will see where that one goes but in the mean time I have several departments looking to go with SAS for the fall semester but no talk of open source alternatives.

Curtis

Message from mike.cunningham@pct.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Diener
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] SPSS

 

The "free alternative to SPSS" is PSPP (no kidding):  http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/tour.html.  

Don

Don Diener
Office of Information Technology
Phone 895-0500; Mail Code 1075

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Curtis White
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 7:46 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] SPSS

 

I am in an email discussion with our IBM rep on our annual campus renewal.  The increase is 10% over last year and I told her that we budgeted for 5% based on past increases.  She said that it is IBM "policy" to raise SPSS costs "10-15%" each year.  I informed her that this was quite high in comparison with other software vendors and explained that with higher education institutions under greater pressure to keep costs down that such increases were just not sustainable.  We will see where that one goes but in the mean time I have several departments looking to go with SAS for the fall semester but no talk of open source alternatives.

 

Curtis

 

Has anyone used this product? Can you import from an Excel document?

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Cunningham
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 7:58 AM
To: CIO@listserv.educause.edu
Subject: Re: [CIO] SPSS

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Don Diener
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:05 PM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] SPSS

 

The "free alternative to SPSS" is PSPP (no kidding):  http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/tour.html.  

Don

Don Diener
Office of Information Technology
Phone 895-0500; Mail Code 1075

 

 

From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Curtis White
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 7:46 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] SPSS

 

I am in an email discussion with our IBM rep on our annual campus renewal.  The increase is 10% over last year and I told her that we budgeted for 5% based on past increases.  She said that it is IBM "policy" to raise SPSS costs "10-15%" each year.  I informed her that this was quite high in comparison with other software vendors and explained that with higher education institutions under greater pressure to keep costs down that such increases were just not sustainable.  We will see where that one goes but in the mean time I have several departments looking to go with SAS for the fall semester but no talk of open source alternatives.

 

Curtis

 

I was told the same thing from our IBM rep this week when I went got the (now much higher) quote for our renewal. His response was:

 

“The 10% increase over last years renewal is standard operating procedure for all IBM software term renewals.”

 

Utterly shocking. This is the 2nd year we’ve gone through this. The only thing I can say is I’ve balked both times, and have gotten price concessions.

 

Good luck!

 

Rae

 

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CIO, Menlo College

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From: The EDUCAUSE CIO Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Curtis White
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:46 AM
To: CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [CIO] SPSS

 

I am in an email discussion with our IBM rep on our annual campus renewal.  The increase is 10% over last year and I told her that we budgeted for 5% based on past increases.  She said that it is IBM "policy" to raise SPSS costs "10-15%" each year.  I informed her that this was quite high in comparison with other software vendors and explained that with higher education institutions under greater pressure to keep costs down that such increases were just not sustainable.  We will see where that one goes but in the mean time I have several departments looking to go with SAS for the fall semester but no talk of open source alternatives.

 

Curtis

 

Michael.

I would look at what "R" can do for your work. And believe it or not we have been quite successful using SAS' JMP.

Mark

J. Mark Conde
Director, IS
Assoc Director, CMPH Applied PH Informatics
Emory/Rollins School of Public Health
Cell: 678 478 6443
Desk: 404-727 8197


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Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 2:26 PM
To: "CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <CIO@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [CIO] SPSS

Dear Colleagues,

 

Has anyone successfully implemented an alternative to SPSS?  I recently paid our annual subscription which has increased substantially since the IBM buyout.  I would like to spend the next year piloting an alternative solution(s), preferably open source.

 

Just wondering if anyone else is feeling the pinch and has successfully made the move to another package.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

Michael S. Hoffman

Executive Director for Information Technology

St. Bonaventure University

mhoffman@sbu.edu

www.sbu.edu

 

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