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Here's a question I failed to pose at last week's VWER meeting about the renewed education discount in SL: If you were to run your own educational / nonprofit sim, what would you be willing to pay, out of pocket, monthly? What would be your setup fee? My price point: $50 setup and $30 tier for a full sim. No more. What about you? -- Joe Essid, University of Richmond Writing Center Avatars & RPG characters: Marcello Dellacarpini, Scoundrel and Adventurer, 7th Sea Roderick Usher: Jokaydia Grid Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Second Life blog: http://iggyo.blogspot.com Web: http://virtualworldsedu.info/ ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.

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On 8/20/13 10:13 AM, Mark McCahill wrote: >
Message from khoffman@uwo.ca

If $30/month/server is just for the Linux OS, upgrades of OS, backup of files, power and cost physical server/disk space then for Second Life I guess one has to pay for the development that goes to making Second Life better.
 
Kim Hoffman
Western University
London Ontario Canada
 
Message from nicole_charest@globetrotter.net

It was a good news to hear about LL's renewed lower cost status for education and non profit. While 50% of Set up and monthly fee is still high, expecting $50 setup and 30$ monthly does not sound reasonable to me. Those prices are comparable to the average OS Sim. I always say that SL is to OS what great cities are to rural town. Do you need the big cities affordance, reliability, diversity, technology and population or not. This is the question. I am present in both SL and OS (OSgrid) and would not be ready to switch to OS only. Again all depends of your needs and, accordingly, of services that you would expect. I mean by services not only LL services but as well services provided by other users in SL. Nicole -----Message d'origine----- De : The EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:VW@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] De la part de Mark McCahill Envoyé : 20 août 2013 11:19 À : VW@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Objet : Re: [VW] What would YOU pay for tier?
I have to agree that such a low setup and monthly tier fee seems very low. Although I've not had a reason to look elsewhere from LL just yet, I know from personal experience that maintaining and supporting a code base provides significantly more value than that of a rented server platform. A hosted Linux server with bandwidth in my mind provides little to no value in this equation. It's just a commodity and so is priced that way. A dime a dozen as they say. It's software that holds value and it takes people (salaries, facilitates, etc.) to make them work. In my experience I can say that many vendors are very good to Higher Ed when it comes to discounting their software and services. Many of them do this by setting their price points at cost or by subsidizing further discounts on the backs of their commercial and private user bases. They know they get good advertising in front of future purchasers when they can get their products into our classrooms. (Maybe this is another leverage point?) I also know that some of the vendors that I have worked with could care less about our industry and so charge at near or full retail prices for their products and services. So this had seemed to be with LL. I won't give other examples here as it'll probably start a holy war, just know that they do exist as I've been quoted 5% by a couple prominent vendors as their "higher ed discount". Really? Needless to say, we don't use their products. :-) So purely from the purchasing perspective, I think that 50% is a very generous discount for their services. I'm not prepared to put a price on this, but I can say that full price has made it easy for us to discard our SL presence at the end of this year. Unfortunately, LL's 50% reduction decision came a little too late for us. Regardless of that, I'm doubtful I could have floated it again this year in my IT budget if we'd have known sooner as our use has dropped to nothing at this point due to lack of faculty interest. And since we were looking for some quick wins with cost reductions, this ended up high on the chopping block. I know that many of you had to make the same decision this past year or two. It'll be interesting to see if LL can turn this around at this juncture. Jeff Jeffery A. Le Blanc, M.B.A. VP for Information Technology 1441 N. Cable Rd. Lima, OH 45805 jaleblan@unoh.edu Office: 419.998.3107 Fax: 419.227.1280 www.unoh.edu -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:VW@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Nicole Charest Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:47 AM To: VW@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [VW] What would YOU pay for tier? It was a good news to hear about LL's renewed lower cost status for education and non profit. While 50% of Set up and monthly fee is still high, expecting $50 setup and 30$ monthly does not sound reasonable to me. Those prices are comparable to the average OS Sim. I always say that SL is to OS what great cities are to rural town. Do you need the big cities affordance, reliability, diversity, technology and population or not. This is the question. I am present in both SL and OS (OSgrid) and would not be ready to switch to OS only. Again all depends of your needs and, accordingly, of services that you would expect. I mean by services not only LL services but as well services provided by other users in SL. Nicole -----Message d'origine----- De : The EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:VW@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] De la part de Mark McCahill Envoyé : 20 août 2013 11:19 À : VW@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Objet : Re: [VW] What would YOU pay for tier?
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